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The problem with that logic is that it's not sustainable. Yes, terrible things happen in Gaza (not so much the west bank) absent a working government and/or oc

The problem with that logic is that it's not sustainable. Yes, terrible things happen in Gaza (not so much the west bank) absent a working government and/or occupying force. At the same time, we're now going on the fourth generation of residents of these territories who are born, live and die in a no-man's land. They aren't citizens of any nation, they can vote for no government, they can't travel, they can't start a business or hold anything but the most basic property. And neither could their parents or grandparents. And neither will their kids. The thread of rocket production is plausibly enough to justify a temporary occupation while a better government can be constructed, etc... But the six day war was more than a half century ago. At some point the excuses have to end.

LegitShady 6y ago
Gaza has a working government run by Hamas. Both Hamas and the pa in the west bank have failed to hold their own elections and that is their fault not Israel's - they can run elections etc. Their kids are being taught in school to hate Israel and that Jews are evil funded by the United Nations. Every generation will get more extreme under this tutelage. There is not the threat of rocket production so much as there are both rockets and rocket production already. You talk about the six day war but forget Hamas shooting hundreds of rockeslts a day into Israel much more recently than that. It's ok to say say its unsustainable. What is your solution ? Israelis are tired of hearing that it's unsustainable without a solution. That's why the left isn't getting elected. They have no solution, not even to what is going on today.
- newacct583 6y ago
  > What is your solution ? Israelis are tired of hearing that it's unsustainable without a solution. I assure you the rest of the world is getting tired as well. But at the end of the day, this isn't my problem to solve. It's Israel's. Eventually, the world will get tired enough to act. It has in the past. The reason it isn't a crisis for the rest of the world now is fundamentally down to an odd quirk of the way voting demographics work a continent away in the US. And... that actually looks very stable. But eventually something will shift (hell, a Great Collapse of american influence seems not entirely unlikely at this point), and Israel will feel pressure it's been insulated from for the last 53+ years. That's what "unsustainable" means.
  - LegitShady 6y ago
    >assure you the rest of the world is getting tired as well. But at the end of the day, this isn't my problem to solve. It's Israel's. Eventually, the world will get tired enough to act. It has in the past. It is literally the least important it's ever been in terms of the world's priority. What other people do you suggest will act? This deal is about Israel normalizing relations with one of the countries that has pushed and paid for the conflict for some time. This sounds like tough talk divorced from reality. >The reason it isn't a crisis for the rest of the world Is because it's a low intensity conflict that is expensive to deal with and nobody has a solution that makes sense to both sides. Banking on the collapse of America to push Israel is funny but not realistic. This peace agreement is exactly because of fear of another obama style middle East policy. This is the UAE and Israel getting together to make sure they can counter whatever nonsense a democrat with Obama leanings starts to pull. Everyone remembers the Iran deal and Obama's actions in the un at the end of his last term. I promise you people in Israel are as capable of planning as you are, and aren't relying on the fall of the us. Declared unsustainable but still no solution from you - which is the same reason people with your opinion can't get elected in Israel. Israel is much more sustainable than Gaza but trying to go in to clean out Hamas is not sustainabkr. There are a lot more issues of sustainability than you seem to consider because you aren't considering real world geopolitics

LegitShady 6y ago

Gaza has a working government run by Hamas. Both Hamas and the pa in the west bank have failed to hold their own elections and that is their fault not Israel's - they can run elections etc. Their kids are being taught in school to hate Israel and that Jews are evil funded by the United Nations. Every generation will get more extreme under this tutelage. There is not the threat of rocket production so much as there are both rockets and rocket production already. You talk about the six day war but forget Hamas shooting hundreds of rockeslts a day into Israel much more recently than that. It's ok to say say its unsustainable. What is your solution ? Israelis are tired of hearing that it's unsustainable without a solution. That's why the left isn't getting elected. They have no solution, not even to what is going on today.

newacct583 6y ago
> What is your solution ? Israelis are tired of hearing that it's unsustainable without a solution. I assure you the rest of the world is getting tired as well. But at the end of the day, this isn't my problem to solve. It's Israel's. Eventually, the world will get tired enough to act. It has in the past. The reason it isn't a crisis for the rest of the world now is fundamentally down to an odd quirk of the way voting demographics work a continent away in the US. And... that actually looks very stable. But eventually something will shift (hell, a Great Collapse of american influence seems not entirely unlikely at this point), and Israel will feel pressure it's been insulated from for the last 53+ years. That's what "unsustainable" means.
- LegitShady 6y ago
  >assure you the rest of the world is getting tired as well. But at the end of the day, this isn't my problem to solve. It's Israel's. Eventually, the world will get tired enough to act. It has in the past. It is literally the least important it's ever been in terms of the world's priority. What other people do you suggest will act? This deal is about Israel normalizing relations with one of the countries that has pushed and paid for the conflict for some time. This sounds like tough talk divorced from reality. >The reason it isn't a crisis for the rest of the world Is because it's a low intensity conflict that is expensive to deal with and nobody has a solution that makes sense to both sides. Banking on the collapse of America to push Israel is funny but not realistic. This peace agreement is exactly because of fear of another obama style middle East policy. This is the UAE and Israel getting together to make sure they can counter whatever nonsense a democrat with Obama leanings starts to pull. Everyone remembers the Iran deal and Obama's actions in the un at the end of his last term. I promise you people in Israel are as capable of planning as you are, and aren't relying on the fall of the us. Declared unsustainable but still no solution from you - which is the same reason people with your opinion can't get elected in Israel. Israel is much more sustainable than Gaza but trying to go in to clean out Hamas is not sustainabkr. There are a lot more issues of sustainability than you seem to consider because you aren't considering real world geopolitics