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> You literally don’t have a way to get unto iOS devices w/o the App Store. Yes, and that's the problem that needs solving. If Apple allowed sideloading apps,

> You literally don’t have a way to get unto iOS devices w/o the App Store. Yes, and that's the problem that needs solving. If Apple allowed sideloading apps, every single of their justifications about App Store rules would start making sense. You either pay 30% and get a nice listing and discoverability, or you pay nothing but are completely on your own.

s3r3nity 6y ago
Or, you know, go to Android with 70%+ global market share.[1] If you really want to make a radio for Lamborghini's, but they say no, then you go to a different manufacturer. "oh but Lambo owners have so much spend/revenue per owner" doesn't really hold water. [1] https://gs.statcounter.com/os-market-share/mobile/worldwide https://gs.statcounter.com/os-market-share/mobile/worldwide
- grishka 6y ago
  I said it many times and I'll say it again: it's not a choice you get to make as a company or an individual that has a service that needs an app. If you're to have any semblance of success, you can't only have an Android app. As far as my personal preferences go, I use Android since 2011 and can't fathom switching to iOS.
- FireBeyond 6y ago
  Huh? Lamborghini does not forbid me from, or charge me a percentage to install my radio from an after market vendor, should I choose to.
  - layoutIfNeeded 6y ago
    But Ferrari does forbid you from painting your own car: https://mashable.com/2014/08/30/ferrari-deadmau5-cease-and-desist/?europe=true https://mashable.com/2014/08/30/ferrari-deadmau5-cease-and-d...
    - Spivak 6y ago
      This is less weird that it might seem on the surface. If you've ever commissioned an expensive peiece of art there's usually a line in the contract that says something to the effect of "if the art is damaged, you will give $artist preference for repair" because if you get it shoddily fixed it looks bad on them.
    - FireBeyond 6y ago
      No, it didn't. One, it had no standing, nor contractual agreement (granted, a lawsuit can be a big weapon to wield). > Ferrari took the most offense to his custom badges and floor mats with Purrari logos And to look at that picture, you can see why, the logos were practically identical and arguable from a trademark infringement perspective. But he was not and was never prohibited from painting his car (and a cease and desist is not a prohibition).

s3r3nity 6y ago

Or, you know, go to Android with 70%+ global market share.[1] If you really want to make a radio for Lamborghini's, but they say no, then you go to a different manufacturer. "oh but Lambo owners have so much spend/revenue per owner" doesn't really hold water. [1] https://gs.statcounter.com/os-market-share/mobile/worldwide https://gs.statcounter.com/os-market-share/mobile/worldwide

grishka 6y ago
I said it many times and I'll say it again: it's not a choice you get to make as a company or an individual that has a service that needs an app. If you're to have any semblance of success, you can't only have an Android app. As far as my personal preferences go, I use Android since 2011 and can't fathom switching to iOS.
FireBeyond 6y ago
Huh? Lamborghini does not forbid me from, or charge me a percentage to install my radio from an after market vendor, should I choose to.
- layoutIfNeeded 6y ago
  But Ferrari does forbid you from painting your own car: https://mashable.com/2014/08/30/ferrari-deadmau5-cease-and-desist/?europe=true https://mashable.com/2014/08/30/ferrari-deadmau5-cease-and-d...
  - Spivak 6y ago
    This is less weird that it might seem on the surface. If you've ever commissioned an expensive peiece of art there's usually a line in the contract that says something to the effect of "if the art is damaged, you will give $artist preference for repair" because if you get it shoddily fixed it looks bad on them.
  - FireBeyond 6y ago
    No, it didn't. One, it had no standing, nor contractual agreement (granted, a lawsuit can be a big weapon to wield). > Ferrari took the most offense to his custom badges and floor mats with Purrari logos And to look at that picture, you can see why, the logos were practically identical and arguable from a trademark infringement perspective. But he was not and was never prohibited from painting his car (and a cease and desist is not a prohibition).