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> Why would anyone want to risk being deplatformed? App stores give you incredible access to new users. You literally don’t have a way to get unto iOS devices

by nip180 6y ago

> Why would anyone want to risk being deplatformed? App stores give you incredible access to new users. You literally don’t have a way to get unto iOS devices w/o the App Store.

oblio 6y ago
> App stores give you incredible access to new users. You literally don’t have a way to get unto iOS devices w/o the App Store. They give you "incredible access" because they're basically the only access. Their OSes would be complete flops if app stores were the only option and nobody would use them...
- Spivak 6y ago
  The "incredible" part is the access to Apple customer base.
  - sushshshsh 6y ago
    Dreaming of a world where everyone can press a button and buy a flashed phone with an open standards operating system much like I can do on most laptops with Linux
grishka 6y ago
> You literally don’t have a way to get unto iOS devices w/o the App Store. Yes, and that's the problem that needs solving. If Apple allowed sideloading apps, every single of their justifications about App Store rules would start making sense. You either pay 30% and get a nice listing and discoverability, or you pay nothing but are completely on your own.
- s3r3nity 6y ago
  Or, you know, go to Android with 70%+ global market share.[1] If you really want to make a radio for Lamborghini's, but they say no, then you go to a different manufacturer. "oh but Lambo owners have so much spend/revenue per owner" doesn't really hold water. [1] https://gs.statcounter.com/os-market-share/mobile/worldwide https://gs.statcounter.com/os-market-share/mobile/worldwide
  - grishka 6y ago
    I said it many times and I'll say it again: it's not a choice you get to make as a company or an individual that has a service that needs an app. If you're to have any semblance of success, you can't only have an Android app. As far as my personal preferences go, I use Android since 2011 and can't fathom switching to iOS.
  - FireBeyond 6y ago
    Huh? Lamborghini does not forbid me from, or charge me a percentage to install my radio from an after market vendor, should I choose to.
    - layoutIfNeeded 6y ago
      But Ferrari does forbid you from painting your own car: https://mashable.com/2014/08/30/ferrari-deadmau5-cease-and-desist/?europe=true https://mashable.com/2014/08/30/ferrari-deadmau5-cease-and-d...
      - Spivak 6y ago
        This is less weird that it might seem on the surface. If you've ever commissioned an expensive peiece of art there's usually a line in the contract that says something to the effect of "if the art is damaged, you will give $artist preference for repair" because if you get it shoddily fixed it looks bad on them.
      - FireBeyond 6y ago
        No, it didn't. One, it had no standing, nor contractual agreement (granted, a lawsuit can be a big weapon to wield). > Ferrari took the most offense to his custom badges and floor mats with Purrari logos And to look at that picture, you can see why, the logos were practically identical and arguable from a trademark infringement perspective. But he was not and was never prohibited from painting his car (and a cease and desist is not a prohibition).

by nip180 6y ago

> Why would anyone want to risk being deplatformed? App stores give you incredible access to new users. You literally don’t have a way to get unto iOS devices w/o the App Store.

oblio 6y ago

> App stores give you incredible access to new users. You literally don’t have a way to get unto iOS devices w/o the App Store. They give you "incredible access" because they're basically the only access. Their OSes would be complete flops if app stores were the only option and nobody would use them...

Spivak 6y ago
The "incredible" part is the access to Apple customer base.
- sushshshsh 6y ago
  Dreaming of a world where everyone can press a button and buy a flashed phone with an open standards operating system much like I can do on most laptops with Linux

grishka 6y ago

> You literally don’t have a way to get unto iOS devices w/o the App Store. Yes, and that's the problem that needs solving. If Apple allowed sideloading apps, every single of their justifications about App Store rules would start making sense. You either pay 30% and get a nice listing and discoverability, or you pay nothing but are completely on your own.

s3r3nity 6y ago
Or, you know, go to Android with 70%+ global market share.[1] If you really want to make a radio for Lamborghini's, but they say no, then you go to a different manufacturer. "oh but Lambo owners have so much spend/revenue per owner" doesn't really hold water. [1] https://gs.statcounter.com/os-market-share/mobile/worldwide https://gs.statcounter.com/os-market-share/mobile/worldwide
- grishka 6y ago
  I said it many times and I'll say it again: it's not a choice you get to make as a company or an individual that has a service that needs an app. If you're to have any semblance of success, you can't only have an Android app. As far as my personal preferences go, I use Android since 2011 and can't fathom switching to iOS.
- FireBeyond 6y ago
  Huh? Lamborghini does not forbid me from, or charge me a percentage to install my radio from an after market vendor, should I choose to.
  - layoutIfNeeded 6y ago
    But Ferrari does forbid you from painting your own car: https://mashable.com/2014/08/30/ferrari-deadmau5-cease-and-desist/?europe=true https://mashable.com/2014/08/30/ferrari-deadmau5-cease-and-d...
    - Spivak 6y ago
      This is less weird that it might seem on the surface. If you've ever commissioned an expensive peiece of art there's usually a line in the contract that says something to the effect of "if the art is damaged, you will give $artist preference for repair" because if you get it shoddily fixed it looks bad on them.
    - FireBeyond 6y ago
      No, it didn't. One, it had no standing, nor contractual agreement (granted, a lawsuit can be a big weapon to wield). > Ferrari took the most offense to his custom badges and floor mats with Purrari logos And to look at that picture, you can see why, the logos were practically identical and arguable from a trademark infringement perspective. But he was not and was never prohibited from painting his car (and a cease and desist is not a prohibition).