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My parents' iPhones: 0 sketchy apps or browser plugins My parents' Macs: every sketchy app and browser plugin available on macOS

gambiting 6y ago
I would prefer to live in a world where customers don't have to be treated like children though. Just handle it the same way Android does it - only allow apps from the app store by default, or you can enable unsafe mode and install whatever you want - the choice should always be yours.
- valuearb 6y ago
  Who cares what you prefer? This is the exact value differentiator between Android and iPhone. If Apple doesn’t secure the device and vet the Apps, you’ve destroyed what made it different, and in its customers eyes, great.
  - gambiting 6y ago
    I literally don't get that argument. Just like on Android, 99% of customers would never ever untick that box and would enjoy the benefit provided by apple-vetted apps, while we as customers would regain control of the devices that we paid for, allowing them to run code that hasn't been vetted by Apple....if you wish to do so. I'd also appreciate if you laid off the personal attacks, thank you.
    - valuearb 6y ago
      What personal attack? You are demanding Apple turn the iPhone into the same insecure crapware that is Android. You don’t deserve that choice.
      - gambiting 6y ago
        Saying "who cares what you prefer" and "you don't deserve that choice" are both examples of speech that's not welcome on HN. >>You are demanding Apple turn the iPhone into the same insecure crapware that is Android. Uhm, no, Android is full of crapware because Google does not vet apps the same way Apple does, not because you can side load APKs.
- zaroth 6y ago
  Customers don’t “have to be treated like children”. An Apple device is an option you can choose if you want that extra layer of blanket protection. That’s the whole point of having choices in a competitive market. You get to choose in a competitive market which device you want to buy. This attempt to try to force Apple to change how they do business is eliminating a key differentiator and therefore removing the ability for a consumer to choose this approach.
  - gambiting 6y ago
    How so? Again, the key word here is - "choice". I believe a customer should have the choice to unlock their own device and install whatever software they want on it. How is having that choice eliminating a key differentiator? Most people will never untick that box and will enjoy exactly those benefits of Apple devices that you're talking about. I am of an opinion that every consumer should have such a box available on their devices, should they wish to use it. It shouldn't be possible to trade this ability away with a software licence. And not giving people that choice in the first place is what I meant by saying "customers are treated as children" - because children don't get to chose, adults do.
    - valuearb 6y ago
      Apple shouldn’t have to complicate the security and consistency of their device for people who don’t value it. You have a choice, it’s called Android.
  - withinboredom 6y ago
    Some of us have been buying apps in the app store long before Android existed. It's not easy to throw those apps I've used for over a decade away, just for "choice." Obviously, if I could take my app licenses with me, there would be an argument that I had a choice. Being that I can't, there's just an illusion of choice.
    - NickNameNick 6y ago
      While I agree with the rest of your comment... The app store launched in July 2008, and the G1 came out in September that same year. Two months doesn't seem like a big opportunity to buy apps 'long before Android existed'.
saagarjha 6y ago
> 0 sketchy apps Have you ever peeked inside one of those apps?
paxys 6y ago
How is a sideloaded app any more or less sketchy than one downloaded from the app store, when it is using the exact same APIs?
- ac29 6y ago
  In theory, Apple is ensuring apps dont misuse those APIs. In practice, they seem much more concerned with preventing apps from threatening their extremely lucrative software and service revenues.
- valuearb 6y ago
  Apple vets App Store apps by running them through an automated system to detect malware and misuse of APUs, and then hand tests them for same.
CamperBob2 6y ago
And the common denominator? "My parents." Maybe your parents need to be protected from their own poor decisionmaking, but is that true for everyone?
- valuearb 6y ago
  Apple offers you a choice. Safety and security, or you can get an Android phone.
  - CamperBob2 6y ago
    That's non-responsive to my question.

gambiting 6y ago

I would prefer to live in a world where customers don't have to be treated like children though. Just handle it the same way Android does it - only allow apps from the app store by default, or you can enable unsafe mode and install whatever you want - the choice should always be yours.

valuearb 6y ago
Who cares what you prefer? This is the exact value differentiator between Android and iPhone. If Apple doesn’t secure the device and vet the Apps, you’ve destroyed what made it different, and in its customers eyes, great.
- gambiting 6y ago
  I literally don't get that argument. Just like on Android, 99% of customers would never ever untick that box and would enjoy the benefit provided by apple-vetted apps, while we as customers would regain control of the devices that we paid for, allowing them to run code that hasn't been vetted by Apple....if you wish to do so. I'd also appreciate if you laid off the personal attacks, thank you.
  - valuearb 6y ago
    What personal attack? You are demanding Apple turn the iPhone into the same insecure crapware that is Android. You don’t deserve that choice.
    - gambiting 6y ago
      Saying "who cares what you prefer" and "you don't deserve that choice" are both examples of speech that's not welcome on HN. >>You are demanding Apple turn the iPhone into the same insecure crapware that is Android. Uhm, no, Android is full of crapware because Google does not vet apps the same way Apple does, not because you can side load APKs.
zaroth 6y ago
Customers don’t “have to be treated like children”. An Apple device is an option you can choose if you want that extra layer of blanket protection. That’s the whole point of having choices in a competitive market. You get to choose in a competitive market which device you want to buy. This attempt to try to force Apple to change how they do business is eliminating a key differentiator and therefore removing the ability for a consumer to choose this approach.
- gambiting 6y ago
  How so? Again, the key word here is - "choice". I believe a customer should have the choice to unlock their own device and install whatever software they want on it. How is having that choice eliminating a key differentiator? Most people will never untick that box and will enjoy exactly those benefits of Apple devices that you're talking about. I am of an opinion that every consumer should have such a box available on their devices, should they wish to use it. It shouldn't be possible to trade this ability away with a software licence. And not giving people that choice in the first place is what I meant by saying "customers are treated as children" - because children don't get to chose, adults do.
  - valuearb 6y ago
    Apple shouldn’t have to complicate the security and consistency of their device for people who don’t value it. You have a choice, it’s called Android.
- withinboredom 6y ago
  Some of us have been buying apps in the app store long before Android existed. It's not easy to throw those apps I've used for over a decade away, just for "choice." Obviously, if I could take my app licenses with me, there would be an argument that I had a choice. Being that I can't, there's just an illusion of choice.
  - NickNameNick 6y ago
    While I agree with the rest of your comment... The app store launched in July 2008, and the G1 came out in September that same year. Two months doesn't seem like a big opportunity to buy apps 'long before Android existed'.

saagarjha 6y ago

> 0 sketchy apps Have you ever peeked inside one of those apps?

paxys 6y ago

How is a sideloaded app any more or less sketchy than one downloaded from the app store, when it is using the exact same APIs?

ac29 6y ago
In theory, Apple is ensuring apps dont misuse those APIs. In practice, they seem much more concerned with preventing apps from threatening their extremely lucrative software and service revenues.
valuearb 6y ago
Apple vets App Store apps by running them through an automated system to detect malware and misuse of APUs, and then hand tests them for same.

CamperBob2 6y ago

And the common denominator? "My parents." Maybe your parents need to be protected from their own poor decisionmaking, but is that true for everyone?

valuearb 6y ago
Apple offers you a choice. Safety and security, or you can get an Android phone.
- CamperBob2 6y ago
  That's non-responsive to my question.