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It's not an "undeniable right" but it's also not like there are a lot of other options. You can say "just move to another platform" or "then make your own platf

It's not an "undeniable right" but it's also not like there are a lot of other options. You can say "just move to another platform" or "then make your own platform" but you also have to be a realist. This is why antitrust laws exist - sometimes the market realities make this nearly impossible.

baddox 6y ago
It’s no more realistic to say “if you don’t like the licensing terms of your game engine then just rewrite your game.”
- detaro 6y ago
  End-customers are not locked into a specific game engine in any way, whereas mobile ecosystems have lock-in through devices and already-bought apps. That's a major difference for a software maker.
- josephcsible 6y ago
  It's a LOT more realistic to rewrite your game than it is to tell all of your iOS customers that they have to jailbreak or switch platforms.
giarc 6y ago
But where is the line of lots of options vs not a lot of options? iOS isn't even the most popular mobile operating system.
- d0m 6y ago
  For some market it is. Our users were 80%+ on ios
  - jasonv 6y ago
    Seems to me the biggest hurdle to moving/finding customers via the Google/Android platform is that they won't spend money over there. The feature/capability parity between the platforms means they are, in fact, both capable of serving these markets. But people want to vote with their dollars in the iOS ecosystem, and now the players want to change that ecosystem. I'm not entirely convinced that this is Apple's problem, in as much as it is Google's fault for not fostering a properly competitive revenue delivery platform, even though it has the maturity and standing to do so.
- nsriv 6y ago
  It's handled case-by-case, that's the point of the legislative oversight system.
- dathinab 6y ago
  But does that matter when they have milions of people in that marked. Isn't that a size where it really shouldn't matter anymore if there is another similar bigger marked? Also for some serivces iOs users are the large majority, like more or less any "real premium" service (Like apps you have to pay 10 or so+$ a month or 100+$ when buying them).
close04 6y ago
> This is why antitrust laws exist Anti trust laws (or competition laws) tend to apply to players with an clear control over the market, monopolies that stifle competition. Apple has ~14% of the mobile market, compared to Android's ~86%. I'm curious about how this will play out as it might have an impact in other sectors where smaller players by market share exercise a bit too tight control.
- gokhan 6y ago
  Is that the global figure? It's much more than that for US, almost 60% actually: https://gs.statcounter.com/os-market-share/mobile/united-states-of-america/ https://gs.statcounter.com/os-market-share/mobile/united-sta... , for example. Don't know about tablets, but I feel it's not different.

baddox 6y ago

It’s no more realistic to say “if you don’t like the licensing terms of your game engine then just rewrite your game.”

detaro 6y ago
End-customers are not locked into a specific game engine in any way, whereas mobile ecosystems have lock-in through devices and already-bought apps. That's a major difference for a software maker.
josephcsible 6y ago
It's a LOT more realistic to rewrite your game than it is to tell all of your iOS customers that they have to jailbreak or switch platforms.

giarc 6y ago

But where is the line of lots of options vs not a lot of options? iOS isn't even the most popular mobile operating system.

d0m 6y ago
For some market it is. Our users were 80%+ on ios
- jasonv 6y ago
  Seems to me the biggest hurdle to moving/finding customers via the Google/Android platform is that they won't spend money over there. The feature/capability parity between the platforms means they are, in fact, both capable of serving these markets. But people want to vote with their dollars in the iOS ecosystem, and now the players want to change that ecosystem. I'm not entirely convinced that this is Apple's problem, in as much as it is Google's fault for not fostering a properly competitive revenue delivery platform, even though it has the maturity and standing to do so.
nsriv 6y ago
It's handled case-by-case, that's the point of the legislative oversight system.
dathinab 6y ago
But does that matter when they have milions of people in that marked. Isn't that a size where it really shouldn't matter anymore if there is another similar bigger marked? Also for some serivces iOs users are the large majority, like more or less any "real premium" service (Like apps you have to pay 10 or so+$ a month or 100+$ when buying them).

close04 6y ago

> This is why antitrust laws exist Anti trust laws (or competition laws) tend to apply to players with an clear control over the market, monopolies that stifle competition. Apple has ~14% of the mobile market, compared to Android's ~86%. I'm curious about how this will play out as it might have an impact in other sectors where smaller players by market share exercise a bit too tight control.

gokhan 6y ago
Is that the global figure? It's much more than that for US, almost 60% actually: https://gs.statcounter.com/os-market-share/mobile/united-states-of-america/ https://gs.statcounter.com/os-market-share/mobile/united-sta... , for example. Don't know about tablets, but I feel it's not different.