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Until regulations steps in, and mandates to be more fair and open, or to break up the company, or to allow multiple app stores (by competitors). At the end of

Until regulations steps in, and mandates to be more fair and open, or to break up the company, or to allow multiple app stores (by competitors). At the end of the day, and iPad is a general computing device, and it will probably be treated as such in courts, where there are precedents on this.

aaomidi 6y ago
And Apple markets the iPad and other various apple devices as general computing too.
jaegerpicker 6y ago
What does it being a general computing device have to do with anything? Is it the only general computing device available? PC's and Androids exist, how is Apple in anyway a monopoly when they don't even have control of the market?
- MagnumOpus 6y ago
  The are abusing a dominant position (as the only seller of iOS devices) to cross subsidise their software business and muscle out competitors in the services space (Apple Music vs other music services). That is a fairly clear breach of antitrust rules. The prohibition of third party transactions or third party App stores are less clear to breach, but there is a case to be made...
  - ntsplnkv2 6y ago
    Pandora, Spotify, Tidal, and Amazon music are all available on the App Store - they are not muscling any competitors out. If they were those apps would simply not be available.
threeseed 6y ago
a) There are no rules that mandate that a "general computing device" must be open in whatever arbitrary way you've not defined. b) There are no precedents that state that a platform must have competing App Stores or make them freely available for anyone to publish. In fact the opposite is the default in companies today e.g. PSN, XBox, Tesla, Shopify, Salesforce. If you have case law that contradicts this please by all means provide it.
- Apocryphon 6y ago
  Perhaps a case related to open source licensing? Here's one that's still in progress: https://resources.whitesourcesoftware.com/blog-whitesource/the-100-million-case-for-open-source-license-compliance https://resources.whitesourcesoftware.com/blog-whitesource/t... Of course, Apple had the foresight to purge GPL apps from its store: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3559990 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3559990

aaomidi 6y ago

And Apple markets the iPad and other various apple devices as general computing too.

jaegerpicker 6y ago

What does it being a general computing device have to do with anything? Is it the only general computing device available? PC's and Androids exist, how is Apple in anyway a monopoly when they don't even have control of the market?

MagnumOpus 6y ago
The are abusing a dominant position (as the only seller of iOS devices) to cross subsidise their software business and muscle out competitors in the services space (Apple Music vs other music services). That is a fairly clear breach of antitrust rules. The prohibition of third party transactions or third party App stores are less clear to breach, but there is a case to be made...
- ntsplnkv2 6y ago
  Pandora, Spotify, Tidal, and Amazon music are all available on the App Store - they are not muscling any competitors out. If they were those apps would simply not be available.

threeseed 6y ago

a) There are no rules that mandate that a "general computing device" must be open in whatever arbitrary way you've not defined. b) There are no precedents that state that a platform must have competing App Stores or make them freely available for anyone to publish. In fact the opposite is the default in companies today e.g. PSN, XBox, Tesla, Shopify, Salesforce. If you have case law that contradicts this please by all means provide it.

Apocryphon 6y ago
Perhaps a case related to open source licensing? Here's one that's still in progress: https://resources.whitesourcesoftware.com/blog-whitesource/the-100-million-case-for-open-source-license-compliance https://resources.whitesourcesoftware.com/blog-whitesource/t... Of course, Apple had the foresight to purge GPL apps from its store: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3559990 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3559990