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The Verge has a statement from apple: https://www.theverge.com/2020/8/13/21366438/apple-fortnite-ios-app-store-violations-epic-payments https://www.theverge.com

The Verge has a statement from apple: https://www.theverge.com/2020/8/13/21366438/apple-fortnite-ios-app-store-violations-epic-payments https://www.theverge.com/2020/8/13/21366438/apple-fortnite-i...

bredren 6y ago
Concluding points from the statement: >Epic agreed to the App Store terms and guidelines freely and we’re glad they’ve built such a successful business on the App Store. >The fact that their business interests now lead them to push for a special arrangement does not change the fact that these guidelines create a level playing field for all developers and make the store safe for all users.
- aaomidi 6y ago
  > Epic agreed to the App Store terms and guidelines freely lol.
  - almost_usual 6y ago
    are you suggesting they were threatened?
    - mamurphy 6y ago
      are you suggesting they had any alternative if they wanted to pursue iPhone customers?
      - yazaddaruvala 6y ago
        Epic doesn't need to pursue Apple iPhone customers they same way Epic doesn't need to pursue Sony Bravia customers. This is the same as Bungee not needing to pursue Playstation customers to make Halo what it is.
        aaomidi 6y ago
        IPhone is a general computing platform so that argument doesn't hold water.
        yazaddaruvala 6y ago
        Why is it more of a "general computing platform" than an Xbox or a Playstation or a Bravia? All of those platforms have stores, all of them allow digital downloads of software that executes, all of those have browsers. What makes the iPhone "general purpose" where the others are not?
        aaomidi 6y ago
        Probably the fact that no one made a fuss over consoles. I'd argue the same rules should start applying for them as well. But there was nothing stopping Microsoft from releasing halo onto the playstation. There is nothing stopping anyone from developing a game for these consoles.
        yazaddaruvala 6y ago
        And there is nothing stopping Epic from releasing Fortnite on the iPhone (in-fact it was there for years). The rules could be unfair[1] but this issue is just Epic not wanting to follow the rules to make some more money. [1] We can discuss what a fair price/percentage should be. Arguably the market and Apple customers have decided 30% is fair, but we can discuss. Meanwhile, side-loading or not charging would make my iPhone experience worse.
        aaomidi 6y ago
        Well the unfair part is what is being discussed. So ignoring that would be ignoring the whole point of this.
        yazaddaruvala 6y ago
    - Sargos 6y ago
      A choice between "Allowing your users to use your software" and "Nobody can use your software" is not really a choice at all. Even the mob gives you a choice, so maybe they aren't so bad after all?

The Verge has a statement from apple: https://www.theverge.com/2020/8/13/21366438/apple-fortnite-ios-app-store-violations-epic-payments https://www.theverge.com/2020/8/13/21366438/apple-fortnite-i...

bredren 6y ago

Concluding points from the statement: >Epic agreed to the App Store terms and guidelines freely and we’re glad they’ve built such a successful business on the App Store. >The fact that their business interests now lead them to push for a special arrangement does not change the fact that these guidelines create a level playing field for all developers and make the store safe for all users.

aaomidi 6y ago
> Epic agreed to the App Store terms and guidelines freely lol.
- almost_usual 6y ago
  are you suggesting they were threatened?
  - mamurphy 6y ago
    are you suggesting they had any alternative if they wanted to pursue iPhone customers?
    - yazaddaruvala 6y ago
      Epic doesn't need to pursue Apple iPhone customers they same way Epic doesn't need to pursue Sony Bravia customers. This is the same as Bungee not needing to pursue Playstation customers to make Halo what it is.
      - aaomidi 6y ago
        IPhone is a general computing platform so that argument doesn't hold water.
        yazaddaruvala 6y ago
        Why is it more of a "general computing platform" than an Xbox or a Playstation or a Bravia? All of those platforms have stores, all of them allow digital downloads of software that executes, all of those have browsers. What makes the iPhone "general purpose" where the others are not?
        aaomidi 6y ago
        Probably the fact that no one made a fuss over consoles. I'd argue the same rules should start applying for them as well. But there was nothing stopping Microsoft from releasing halo onto the playstation. There is nothing stopping anyone from developing a game for these consoles.
        yazaddaruvala 6y ago
        And there is nothing stopping Epic from releasing Fortnite on the iPhone (in-fact it was there for years). The rules could be unfair[1] but this issue is just Epic not wanting to follow the rules to make some more money. [1] We can discuss what a fair price/percentage should be. Arguably the market and Apple customers have decided 30% is fair, but we can discuss. Meanwhile, side-loading or not charging would make my iPhone experience worse.
        aaomidi 6y ago
        Well the unfair part is what is being discussed. So ignoring that would be ignoring the whole point of this.
        yazaddaruvala 6y ago
  - Sargos 6y ago
    A choice between "Allowing your users to use your software" and "Nobody can use your software" is not really a choice at all. Even the mob gives you a choice, so maybe they aren't so bad after all?