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Totally agree, Rust will survive. AWS is investing heavily in Rust. If anyone who is reading this was affected by these layoffs and you want to continue to wor

Totally agree, Rust will survive. AWS is investing heavily in Rust. If anyone who is reading this was affected by these layoffs and you want to continue to work in Rust, get in touch with me. We have many Rust opportunities open across the company on a variety of different teams.

capableweb 6y ago
Any Rustaceans who have been working at Mozilla, have probably done so for the mission that Mozilla work on (publicly), not too earn a ton of money. Amazon/AWS, who's main goal is closed down infrastructure, is the opposite of that mission. Worth keeping in mind when trying to recruit people from the opposite spectrum of yourself.
- mcqueenjordan 6y ago
  Thanks for the feedback. I disagree with your premise and your characterizations, but that's what opinions are for! I believe the success of Rust, as a technical goal, can transcend the business goals of whatever organization uses it. Solidifying the future of Rust is a noble goal, and it would be a huge win for our industry.
  - say_it_as_it_is 6y ago
    It could be a major win if layoffs result in a multiplier effect where concentrated Rust talent now spreads across industries. However, this can amount to a net loss if those with bleeding edge Rust skills and experience cannot continue putting them to use. Further, unused expertise atrophies. After the Great Depression, the New York City public schools became some of the best in the country as those with amazing credentials and work experience were displaced and needed jobs. The same can happen with Mozilla's layoffs, where Rust can spread faster and have a great impact on software development, but only if people can put their bleeding edge skills to best use.
  - sjwmozilla 6y ago
    It's interesting that you decide not make an actual argument in disagreement, perhaps knowing well that you don't have one.
- say_it_as_it_is 6y ago
  The Mozilla layoffs indicate that the mission you speak of has ended. It's over. It was at best a business experiment with a socially progressive slant, capturing the hearts and minds of employees in exchange for their commitment to company objectives. Unfortunately, those responsible for the plan are not held as accountable for it failing to achieve their business objectives.
  - AsyncAwait 6y ago
    > It was at best a business experiment with a socially progressive slant I appreciate you specifically pointing out "socially progressive", rather than just "progressive", because corporations often use social progressiveness, (relatively cheap), as a mask for economic conservatism.
- spoopyskelly 6y ago
  Maybe AWS is going to do something useful with it instead of just rewriting all established tools.
  - gnomeria 6y ago
    But they made Firecracker open?
AsyncAwait 6y ago
Would AWS ever consider hiring someone full-time to work on the compiler itself?
- mcqueenjordan 6y ago
  Get in touch with me. (@amazon.com email is in my profile.) I know the right people to get you in touch with to figure out if this could work. It doesn't seem far-fetched to me.
  - AsyncAwait 6y ago
    I didn't mean me specifically, just the concept in general, but that's good to hear.
sjwmozilla 6y ago
I hope they will get toilet breaks?

capableweb 6y ago

Any Rustaceans who have been working at Mozilla, have probably done so for the mission that Mozilla work on (publicly), not too earn a ton of money. Amazon/AWS, who's main goal is closed down infrastructure, is the opposite of that mission. Worth keeping in mind when trying to recruit people from the opposite spectrum of yourself.

mcqueenjordan 6y ago
Thanks for the feedback. I disagree with your premise and your characterizations, but that's what opinions are for! I believe the success of Rust, as a technical goal, can transcend the business goals of whatever organization uses it. Solidifying the future of Rust is a noble goal, and it would be a huge win for our industry.
- say_it_as_it_is 6y ago
  It could be a major win if layoffs result in a multiplier effect where concentrated Rust talent now spreads across industries. However, this can amount to a net loss if those with bleeding edge Rust skills and experience cannot continue putting them to use. Further, unused expertise atrophies. After the Great Depression, the New York City public schools became some of the best in the country as those with amazing credentials and work experience were displaced and needed jobs. The same can happen with Mozilla's layoffs, where Rust can spread faster and have a great impact on software development, but only if people can put their bleeding edge skills to best use.
- sjwmozilla 6y ago
  It's interesting that you decide not make an actual argument in disagreement, perhaps knowing well that you don't have one.
say_it_as_it_is 6y ago
The Mozilla layoffs indicate that the mission you speak of has ended. It's over. It was at best a business experiment with a socially progressive slant, capturing the hearts and minds of employees in exchange for their commitment to company objectives. Unfortunately, those responsible for the plan are not held as accountable for it failing to achieve their business objectives.
- AsyncAwait 6y ago
  > It was at best a business experiment with a socially progressive slant I appreciate you specifically pointing out "socially progressive", rather than just "progressive", because corporations often use social progressiveness, (relatively cheap), as a mask for economic conservatism.
spoopyskelly 6y ago
Maybe AWS is going to do something useful with it instead of just rewriting all established tools.
- gnomeria 6y ago
  But they made Firecracker open?

AsyncAwait 6y ago

Would AWS ever consider hiring someone full-time to work on the compiler itself?

mcqueenjordan 6y ago
Get in touch with me. (@amazon.com email is in my profile.) I know the right people to get you in touch with to figure out if this could work. It doesn't seem far-fetched to me.
- AsyncAwait 6y ago
  I didn't mean me specifically, just the concept in general, but that's good to hear.

sjwmozilla 6y ago

I hope they will get toilet breaks?