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"many packages" as in "less than 10 out of 10s of thousands".

by aiphieng 6y ago

EE84M3i 6y ago
notably, I thought ripgrep became a snap?
- boogies 6y ago
  doesn't look like it: https://github.com/BurntSushi/ripgrep#installation https://github.com/BurntSushi/ripgrep#installation
  - EE84M3i 6y ago
    > (N.B. Various snaps for ripgrep on Ubuntu are also available, but none of them seem to work right and generate a number of very strange bug reports that I don't know how to fix and don't have the time to fix. Therefore, it is no longer a recommended installation option.) I distinctly recall getting suggested by 'command-not-found' to install rg from a snap in some version of ubuntu, but I don't remember what version it was.
    - simion314 6y ago
      Just an hypothesis, maybe some Rust apps that can't be compiled with the toolchain in Debian/ubuntu have no pother choice then use snap/flatpack (so maybe at that time in an LTS ditro apt would not have worked)
      - burntsushi 6y ago
        This isn't it. They just package a version of ripgrep that does compile with their toolchain. ripgrep has been around for almost four years now, and I think the first release was around Rust 1.9 or so. So even Debian will have a new enough version to compile some version of ripgrep. I used to include installation instructions for Ubuntu Snap, but they were so mis-managed (both from the perspective the maintainer of the snap and of the entire snap ecosystem itself) that they were causing giant headaches. It became such a problem that I specifically put a call-out to it in my bug report template: https://github.com/BurntSushi/ripgrep/blob/master/.github/ISSUE_TEMPLATE/bug_report.md#how-did-you-install-ripgrep https://github.com/BurntSushi/ripgrep/blob/master/.github/IS... Snap has been hugely annoying on multiple axis since day 1.
        simion314 6y ago
        So you claim the package was in Debian and Canonical removed it to replace it with a snap? AFAIK if you want to push your stuff into Ubuntu you are always strongly encouraged by Ubuntu to put your stuff in Debian,
        burntsushi 6y ago
        ripgrep has been in Debian and Ubuntu as a non-snap package for quite some time. > So you claim the package was in Debian and Canonical removed it to replace it with a snap? No, I don't claim that. I'm not sure how you drew that conclusion.
jschwartzi 6y ago
Most notably the Calculator app. An app which started in less than a second on Ubuntu 16.04 and which now starts in about 4 seconds on Ubuntu 18.04. All so the developer can include copies of the system library dependencies that already exist in the main filesystem. An app that is notable for providing the user with the most powerful capability of performing arithmetic operations on a modern computer. Snaps have done what countless desktop environments could never do. Make it faster to do math using Google than by using a local calculator application.

"many packages" as in "less than 10 out of 10s of thousands".

EE84M3i 6y ago

notably, I thought ripgrep became a snap?

boogies 6y ago
doesn't look like it: https://github.com/BurntSushi/ripgrep#installation https://github.com/BurntSushi/ripgrep#installation
- EE84M3i 6y ago
  > (N.B. Various snaps for ripgrep on Ubuntu are also available, but none of them seem to work right and generate a number of very strange bug reports that I don't know how to fix and don't have the time to fix. Therefore, it is no longer a recommended installation option.) I distinctly recall getting suggested by 'command-not-found' to install rg from a snap in some version of ubuntu, but I don't remember what version it was.
  - simion314 6y ago
    Just an hypothesis, maybe some Rust apps that can't be compiled with the toolchain in Debian/ubuntu have no pother choice then use snap/flatpack (so maybe at that time in an LTS ditro apt would not have worked)
    - burntsushi 6y ago
      This isn't it. They just package a version of ripgrep that does compile with their toolchain. ripgrep has been around for almost four years now, and I think the first release was around Rust 1.9 or so. So even Debian will have a new enough version to compile some version of ripgrep. I used to include installation instructions for Ubuntu Snap, but they were so mis-managed (both from the perspective the maintainer of the snap and of the entire snap ecosystem itself) that they were causing giant headaches. It became such a problem that I specifically put a call-out to it in my bug report template: https://github.com/BurntSushi/ripgrep/blob/master/.github/ISSUE_TEMPLATE/bug_report.md#how-did-you-install-ripgrep https://github.com/BurntSushi/ripgrep/blob/master/.github/IS... Snap has been hugely annoying on multiple axis since day 1.
      - simion314 6y ago
        So you claim the package was in Debian and Canonical removed it to replace it with a snap? AFAIK if you want to push your stuff into Ubuntu you are always strongly encouraged by Ubuntu to put your stuff in Debian,
        burntsushi 6y ago
        ripgrep has been in Debian and Ubuntu as a non-snap package for quite some time. > So you claim the package was in Debian and Canonical removed it to replace it with a snap? No, I don't claim that. I'm not sure how you drew that conclusion.

jschwartzi 6y ago

Most notably the Calculator app. An app which started in less than a second on Ubuntu 16.04 and which now starts in about 4 seconds on Ubuntu 18.04. All so the developer can include copies of the system library dependencies that already exist in the main filesystem. An app that is notable for providing the user with the most powerful capability of performing arithmetic operations on a modern computer. Snaps have done what countless desktop environments could never do. Make it faster to do math using Google than by using a local calculator application.