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Things they're currently doing that benefit the larger Linux community as a whole: - still engaging with vendors into making hardware work on Linux - they're

Things they're currently doing that benefit the larger Linux community as a whole: - still engaging with vendors into making hardware work on Linux - they're contributing optimizations to gnome 3 - their still massive user base is testing stuff, discovering bugs and then those things get fixed upstream or at least get into Debian - making bad decisions so people jump off Ubuntu and go back to Debian, my beloved distro

war1025 6y ago
> - making bad decisions so people jump off Ubuntu and go back to Debian, my beloved distro Amen. Debian is the best.
- ewzimm 6y ago
  When I fist started using Debian, it was a bit of a potato. It improved over time but still felt a little wooden. Ubuntu brought a lot of people back into the Debian ecosystem, ensured that it improved constantly to the point where it's a corporate power buster, and I feel like the next release will hit the bullseye for sure.
  - turboman 6y ago
    That's a bit of a stretch.
  - bityard 6y ago
    I agreed with everything you sid.
    - type0 6y ago
      Ah, stop with the buzz words
  - dane-pgp 6y ago
    Why did you squeeze so many release names into that comment?
    - type0 6y ago
      you would need to be a bookworm to know all of them
- genpfault 6y ago
  > Debian is the best. I just really wish they had an answer to Ubuntu's HWE stack[1] for mid-Stable hardware updates :( (Backports don't count due to their ad-hoc & unsupported nature) [1]: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/LTSEnablementStack https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/LTSEnablementStack
  - b5n 6y ago
    What's wrong with using test in this context? If I'm running LTS, which for me is server only, I don't want or need newer kernel or x updates. Additionally, if I'm utilizing a DE I generally don't want LTS. sudo apt update && sudo apt upgrade sed -i 's/buster/testing/g' /etc/apt/sources.list sudo apt dist-upgrade Getting security updates from unstable (not required): 1. Pin unstable lower than testing. 2. Configure apt/debsecan as outlined here: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=725934 https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=725934
  - dyingkneepad 6y ago
    You install Debian Testing, but you configure your sources.list with the actual distro name (today: bullseye) instead of testing. Some of the installer media even do that for you: https://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/News/2020/20200316 https://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/News/2020/2020.... Just keep updating your distro and when it gets released you will be on Debian Stable.
- Legogris 6y ago
  While most of my systems are on Debian, the installation experience could really use some work, especially the partitioning part. I've had several occasions when I had to resort to fully manually partitioning my drives because of some hickup. Even in Debian 10, swap is enabled by default in the installer (maybe depending on system RAM) and the encryption guide will refuse to proceed in that case. Only way out of that is switching to another TTY and disabling it manually. The situation and docs around networking and DNS are a bit of a mess with regards to the not-yet-complete migration to systemd services from ifupdown and resolveconf. At least it's not defaulting to networkmanager. At the same time, selecting UTC as timezone from the installer is weirdly hard to find, a lot is predetermined from "select your location". It's like it's still designed with the use case of non-technical desktop users from 15 years ago in mind I'm suspecting very few Debian lovers actually use the installer and instead prepare their own installation with self-built images ready for flashing or upload. It says something that Arch Linux, which doesn't have a guided or graphical installation, is a smoother installation experience for a user new to the distro. The wikis for each are night and day. Don't get me wrong, I love Debian too but there's some areas where it's unnecessarily confusing for those who haven't grown accustomed to its quirks over the years.
  - war1025 6y ago
    I'm a dedicated Debian user, and any time I have a question about something, I hope to find the answer on the ArchWiki. They've got their shit together in terms of documentation.
  - Legogris 6y ago
    Rather than "I love Debian", I think its core strength making the preferred choice for most situations: * well-maintained and large user-share * lowest common denominator for most deployments; regardless on if it's cloud, SBCs, bare-metal servers or desktop, Debian's default installation has a base set of packages for any scenario; just enough that you don't miss anything vital but not making opinionated choices when there is one to be made. For anything I use it for, the only additional things that go on all machines is userspace utilities like vim/tmux/htop. I never felt a need to remove anything.
unixhero 6y ago
ZFS
Thorentis 6y ago
You misspelt Linux Mint

war1025 6y ago

> - making bad decisions so people jump off Ubuntu and go back to Debian, my beloved distro Amen. Debian is the best.

ewzimm 6y ago
When I fist started using Debian, it was a bit of a potato. It improved over time but still felt a little wooden. Ubuntu brought a lot of people back into the Debian ecosystem, ensured that it improved constantly to the point where it's a corporate power buster, and I feel like the next release will hit the bullseye for sure.
- turboman 6y ago
  That's a bit of a stretch.
- bityard 6y ago
  I agreed with everything you sid.
  - type0 6y ago
    Ah, stop with the buzz words
- dane-pgp 6y ago
  Why did you squeeze so many release names into that comment?
  - type0 6y ago
    you would need to be a bookworm to know all of them
genpfault 6y ago
> Debian is the best. I just really wish they had an answer to Ubuntu's HWE stack[1] for mid-Stable hardware updates :( (Backports don't count due to their ad-hoc & unsupported nature) [1]: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/LTSEnablementStack https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/LTSEnablementStack
- b5n 6y ago
  What's wrong with using test in this context? If I'm running LTS, which for me is server only, I don't want or need newer kernel or x updates. Additionally, if I'm utilizing a DE I generally don't want LTS. sudo apt update && sudo apt upgrade sed -i 's/buster/testing/g' /etc/apt/sources.list sudo apt dist-upgrade Getting security updates from unstable (not required): 1. Pin unstable lower than testing. 2. Configure apt/debsecan as outlined here: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=725934 https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=725934
- dyingkneepad 6y ago
  You install Debian Testing, but you configure your sources.list with the actual distro name (today: bullseye) instead of testing. Some of the installer media even do that for you: https://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/News/2020/20200316 https://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/News/2020/2020.... Just keep updating your distro and when it gets released you will be on Debian Stable.
Legogris 6y ago
While most of my systems are on Debian, the installation experience could really use some work, especially the partitioning part. I've had several occasions when I had to resort to fully manually partitioning my drives because of some hickup. Even in Debian 10, swap is enabled by default in the installer (maybe depending on system RAM) and the encryption guide will refuse to proceed in that case. Only way out of that is switching to another TTY and disabling it manually. The situation and docs around networking and DNS are a bit of a mess with regards to the not-yet-complete migration to systemd services from ifupdown and resolveconf. At least it's not defaulting to networkmanager. At the same time, selecting UTC as timezone from the installer is weirdly hard to find, a lot is predetermined from "select your location". It's like it's still designed with the use case of non-technical desktop users from 15 years ago in mind I'm suspecting very few Debian lovers actually use the installer and instead prepare their own installation with self-built images ready for flashing or upload. It says something that Arch Linux, which doesn't have a guided or graphical installation, is a smoother installation experience for a user new to the distro. The wikis for each are night and day. Don't get me wrong, I love Debian too but there's some areas where it's unnecessarily confusing for those who haven't grown accustomed to its quirks over the years.
- war1025 6y ago
  I'm a dedicated Debian user, and any time I have a question about something, I hope to find the answer on the ArchWiki. They've got their shit together in terms of documentation.
- Legogris 6y ago
  Rather than "I love Debian", I think its core strength making the preferred choice for most situations: * well-maintained and large user-share * lowest common denominator for most deployments; regardless on if it's cloud, SBCs, bare-metal servers or desktop, Debian's default installation has a base set of packages for any scenario; just enough that you don't miss anything vital but not making opinionated choices when there is one to be made. For anything I use it for, the only additional things that go on all machines is userspace utilities like vim/tmux/htop. I never felt a need to remove anything.

unixhero 6y ago

ZFS

Thorentis 6y ago

You misspelt Linux Mint