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Please treat the Palestinians with Abrahamic hospitality and great respect!
by rowanseymour 6y ago
Please treat the Palestinians with Abrahamic hospitality and great respect!
- revnode 6y agoPlease stop killing Israelis. It is hard to offer someone hospitality when they are trying to kill you.
- helge9210 6y agoDo you want to count how many Israelis were killed and how many Palestinian Arabs we (israeli) kill?
- revnode 6y agoThose numbers don't indicate who is right or who is wrong. Who is justified and who isn't. Just who is better at killing.
- helge9210 6y agoIf you detain and imprison eight year old kid, grabbing him from school, it is reasonable to assume, that his father, his grandfather, his older and younger brothers will hold a grudge, so to speak.
- revnode 6y agohttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Murdered_Israeli_children https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Murdered_Israeli_chil... There's literally a Wikipedia category for Israeli children that were murdered. If you murder a child, then "it is reasonable to assume, that his father, his grandfather, his older and younger brothers will hold a grudge, so to speak." Let me know if you see a point to this conversation, because I don't see it.
- helge9210 6y agoI don't know who you are and what are your reasons, but I pay for our military and security forces with my taxes. It is my right to demand from them not to murder or terrorize civilians.
- Udik 6y agoThat's not even an issue. There are two parties who are having a dispute; one of the two parties has appropriated something from the other. You don't need to know who gave more blows to understand who's in the wrong here. However, it happens in this case that the thief is also the person who inflicted more injuries on the other.
- revnode 6y agoYou're literally commenting on an article where Israel has sought and won peace with a neighbor. Whatever land was appropriated, was done so as a result of Arab aggression and Israel has repeatedly offered to give it back for peace. It has already done so repeatedly with other Arab neighbors. So yeah, you can definitely understand who is in the wrong here.
- Udik 6y ago> Whatever land was appropriated, was done so as a result of Arab aggression What part of "it's illegal to appropriate someone's land even after an aggression" you don't understand? And it's illegal for a reason, not because the international community is evil. Also, what aggression specifically gave Israel permission to settle hundreds of thousands of people in the West Bank in the last 20 years? > Israel has repeatedly offered to give it back for peace Peace comes after Israel has returned what has misappropriated, not before. This seems pretty obvious to me. Even more obvious is that if Israel had any intention to give the land back in any foreseeable future, it wouldn't have built entire f.....g cities on it! Seriously, I can't understand if you're trying to deceive only me or yourself too.
- revnode 6y ago> it wouldn't have built entire f.....g cities on it! So is your position that Jews are not allowed to live in certain places on this planet? Tell me more.
- Udik 6y agoReally? Your objection to the fact that a country is not allowed to build cities on occupied territories is "are you saying Jews are not allowed to live there"?. Haha. Sorry, that is funny. Well, you know, it's not really about Jews...
- thekid314 6y agoI know Israeli and Palestinian media are both biased so I don't expect to be able to change your mind in an internet comment. I've been working around the region for the past 10 years. Ran from Hizballah rockets, Israeli bombs, and Hamas intelligence. The governments on all sides suck donkey balls, but the Palestinian people are definitely the ones getting shafted and it would be neighborly if the Israeli people weren't such ignorant dicks about it.
- eloff 6y agoThe Palestinians are also the ones with a terrorist organization as a government, and who flat out refuse to acknowledge the reality that they are the party without bargaining power, yet refuse to compromise. I don't have a dog in the fight, but looking at how long it's been going on for, they really have only their own stubbornness to blame and they will a get an ever worse deal the longer they hold out. I'm not talking about fairness or justness here, just that there are realities to face when a stronger state clashes with a weaker one. There will never be an independent Palestine state in the form they are holding out for. They need to accept that, make the best deal they can get while they still have some bargaining power, and move on with their lives and focus on improving their quality of life. If they stick to this path they will continue to suffer in poverty and eventually lose it all. It's unpopular to say this, perhaps, because one feels for the Palestinians. Nevertheless, I think it's true.
- throwaway243646 6y agoFrom https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Melos https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Melos The Athenians offer the Melians an ultimatum: surrender and pay tribute to Athens, or be destroyed. The Athenians do not wish to waste time arguing over the morality of the situation, because in practice might makes right—or, in their own words, "the strong do what they can and the weak suffer what they must". The Melians argue that they are a neutral city and not an enemy, so Athens has no need to conquer them. The Athenians counter that if they accept Melos' neutrality and independence, they would look weak: Their subjects would think that they left Melos alone because they were not strong enough to conquer it. The Melians argue that an invasion will alarm the other neutral Greek states, who will become hostile to Athens for fear of being invaded themselves. The Athenians counter that the Greek states on the mainland are unlikely to act this way. It is the islands in the Aegean Sea that are more likely to take up arms against Athens. The Melians argue that it would be shameful and cowardly of them to submit without a fight. The Athenians counter that it is only shameful to submit to an opponent whom one has a reasonable chance of defeating. There is no shame in submitting to an overwhelmingly superior opponent like Athens. The Melians argue that though the Athenians are far stronger, there is still a chance that the Melians could win, and they will regret not trying their luck. The Athenians counter that this argument is emotional and short-sighted. If the Melians lose, which is highly likely, they will come to bitterly regret their foolhardiness. The Melians argue that they will have the assistance of the gods because their position is morally just. The Athenians counter that the gods will not intervene because it is the natural order of things for the strong to dominate the weak. The Melians argue that their Spartan kin will come to their defense. The Athenians counter that the Spartans don't have enough at stake in Melos to risk an intervention, noting that Athens has the stronger navy. The Athenians express their shock at the Melians' lack of realism. They reiterate that there is no shame in submitting to a stronger enemy, especially one who is offering reasonable terms. The Melians do not change their minds and politely dismiss the envoys.
- guykdm 6y agoNot everything is about Israel. Israel isn't the source of the suffering of Lebanon, Jordan, Egypt or the rest of the dirt poor surrounding dictatorships. The Palestinians today mainly suffer at the hands of other Palestinians. Focusing on Israel lacks perspective.
- rowanseymour 6y agoAnd why are there Palestinians in those other countries? Because Israel is occupying Palestine and refusing to let Palestinian refugees come home.