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> The internet is the platform now with ubiquitous web technologies built into it, but vast new areas are developing (like Wasmtime and the Bytecode Alliance vi

by dx87 6y ago

> The internet is the platform now with ubiquitous web technologies built into it, but vast new areas are developing (like Wasmtime and the Bytecode Alliance vision of nanoprocesses). Our vision and abilities should play in those areas too. Two days ago, the CEO said that focusing on technologies like Wasmtime was one of their plans for the future[1]. Now we find out that they're actually getting rid of the team. They really doubled down on the corporate speak for this round of layoffs. [1] https://blog.mozilla.org/blog/2020/08/11/changing-world-changing-mozilla/ https://blog.mozilla.org/blog/2020/08/11/changing-world-chan...

Ygg2 6y ago
Why call it corporate speak, when it's plain old lying?
- chrisseaton 6y ago
  Being more charitable, it's possible they changed their minds, rather than they were lying.
  - emteycz 6y ago
    That would be really weird. When I think more charitable with Mozilla, I think of "one hand does not know what the other one is doing".
  - FireBeyond 6y ago
    It wasn't a change of mind. This was the layoff blog post. They just didn't mention it. Tuesday blog post: "Wasmtime is our future!" "We're going to be smaller across the board". Thursday it becomes apparent that the Wasmtime was laid off on that Tuesday. "... specifically, a much smaller future ..."
- estebank 6y ago
  Po-tay-to, starchy tuber of the plant Solanum tuberosum.
- adsjhdashkj 6y ago
  Many people consider that synonymous. Hell, if anything i tend to consider corporate speak to be even more damning than a lie.
  - asddubs 6y ago
    to me corporate speak is empty platitudes trying to bury the lede, whereas lying is lying (and both are dishonest)
    - username90 6y ago
      Saying "we care deeply at X" can't be proven to be false since they can say "We care about X, we just care more about other things so we fired the X team, it wasn't a lie". That is corp speak, they say stuff that can't be proven to be lies even though they almost surely are lies.
- andrewflnr 6y ago
  It's at least a different, interesting kind of lying, worth naming separately.
- foobiekr 6y ago
  The weasel nature of corporate speak is beyond a simple lie. People out a lot of work and, perversely, take pride in their ability to say one thing while sounding like saying another, at best, or outright convincingly bullshit. It deserves to be labeled as the worse of the two options because it is.
- liability 6y ago
  "Corporate speak" is itself an example of corporate speech. It's autological. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autological_word https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autological_word
tedunangst 6y ago
Wasmtime is so important to our future we've decided to let people work on it for free.
debacle 6y ago
Firefox is open source and it doesn't need to be tied to Mozilla. Maybe a fork is necessary.
- fabrice_d 6y ago
  How do you finance its development?
  - debacle 6y ago
    I would start by being better at building goodwill than Mozilla has been in the last few years, and ceasing the bait/switch strategy for funding that torpedoed Canonical. It is very, very okay that ubiquitous and greatly loved projects do one or two things well.
    - powersnail 6y ago
      Goodwill is of course lovely. But that's not a plan of financing the project. No money, no full-time employee, not enough developer-power to keep up with the ever-evolving web standard, and hence not competitive against the chromium family. And even if this better-will project is formed, and funded, and worked, there is nothing stopping the team from picking up all the bait-and-switch, corporate speak, etc., when they are wearing the same shoes as Mozilla. In any rate, it's not as simple as someone with better-will to fork the project. I'd rather stay with Mozilla for now, because 1) they are a public entity who cannot commit an evil deed and simply ghost everyone, so they have the motivation to not be hated too much, and 2) they are the only player other than Webkit family and the Chromium family on the browser market, while nobody else has the power to even enter the competition (at least for now).
- _dark_matter_ 6y ago
  There are already many forks of Firefox with separate development. See Waterfox, Palemoon, etc. None seem to get the kind of development needed to compete with Chrome/Safari/Edge.
  - 6y ago

by dx87 6y ago

Ygg2 6y ago

Why call it corporate speak, when it's plain old lying?

chrisseaton 6y ago
Being more charitable, it's possible they changed their minds, rather than they were lying.
- emteycz 6y ago
  That would be really weird. When I think more charitable with Mozilla, I think of "one hand does not know what the other one is doing".
- FireBeyond 6y ago
  It wasn't a change of mind. This was the layoff blog post. They just didn't mention it. Tuesday blog post: "Wasmtime is our future!" "We're going to be smaller across the board". Thursday it becomes apparent that the Wasmtime was laid off on that Tuesday. "... specifically, a much smaller future ..."
estebank 6y ago
Po-tay-to, starchy tuber of the plant Solanum tuberosum.
adsjhdashkj 6y ago
Many people consider that synonymous. Hell, if anything i tend to consider corporate speak to be even more damning than a lie.
- asddubs 6y ago
  to me corporate speak is empty platitudes trying to bury the lede, whereas lying is lying (and both are dishonest)
  - username90 6y ago
    Saying "we care deeply at X" can't be proven to be false since they can say "We care about X, we just care more about other things so we fired the X team, it wasn't a lie". That is corp speak, they say stuff that can't be proven to be lies even though they almost surely are lies.
andrewflnr 6y ago
It's at least a different, interesting kind of lying, worth naming separately.
foobiekr 6y ago
The weasel nature of corporate speak is beyond a simple lie. People out a lot of work and, perversely, take pride in their ability to say one thing while sounding like saying another, at best, or outright convincingly bullshit. It deserves to be labeled as the worse of the two options because it is.
liability 6y ago
"Corporate speak" is itself an example of corporate speech. It's autological. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autological_word https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autological_word

tedunangst 6y ago

Wasmtime is so important to our future we've decided to let people work on it for free.

debacle 6y ago

Firefox is open source and it doesn't need to be tied to Mozilla. Maybe a fork is necessary.

fabrice_d 6y ago
How do you finance its development?
- debacle 6y ago
  I would start by being better at building goodwill than Mozilla has been in the last few years, and ceasing the bait/switch strategy for funding that torpedoed Canonical. It is very, very okay that ubiquitous and greatly loved projects do one or two things well.
  - powersnail 6y ago
    Goodwill is of course lovely. But that's not a plan of financing the project. No money, no full-time employee, not enough developer-power to keep up with the ever-evolving web standard, and hence not competitive against the chromium family. And even if this better-will project is formed, and funded, and worked, there is nothing stopping the team from picking up all the bait-and-switch, corporate speak, etc., when they are wearing the same shoes as Mozilla. In any rate, it's not as simple as someone with better-will to fork the project. I'd rather stay with Mozilla for now, because 1) they are a public entity who cannot commit an evil deed and simply ghost everyone, so they have the motivation to not be hated too much, and 2) they are the only player other than Webkit family and the Chromium family on the browser market, while nobody else has the power to even enter the competition (at least for now).
_dark_matter_ 6y ago
There are already many forks of Firefox with separate development. See Waterfox, Palemoon, etc. None seem to get the kind of development needed to compete with Chrome/Safari/Edge.
- 6y ago