4 ms·

Am not sure the party membership works the way you seem to imply. Just because someone is a member of the CCP doesn't mean they'll steal tech, spy for China or

Am not sure the party membership works the way you seem to imply. Just because someone is a member of the CCP doesn't mean they'll steal tech, spy for China or even agree with the CCP on many issues for that matter. I'd guess it's more like getting some sort of a certificate that makes you more prestigious?

fock 6y ago
so if people want to work outside of china, better not get that certificate if you don't want to be held accountable for supporting an authoritorian government. Easy. As for the spying: it's relatively common knowledge that the chinese government really likes to use the fact that someone might have relatives in mainland china to convice people that they should spy for them. So my guess is that people doing this just for the "prestige" don't even need this kind of stuff...
- AsyncAwait 6y ago
  > so if people want to work outside of china, better not get that certificate if you don't want to be held accountable for supporting an authoritorian government. Easy. The U.S. government killed thousands of civilians in the Middle East over the last decade with taxpayer money. So if you don't support killing civilians, stop paying taxes? Sometimes it's not as easy. > So my guess is that people doing this just for the "prestige" don't even need this kind of stuff... I get your point, but maybe "prestige" isn't the right word. If it's easier to function in society if you're a member and does not require you to commit anything immoral (at least not directly), would you join? My bet would be on yes.
  - fock 6y ago
    wait, first it was a "prestigious certificate", now it's mandatory. ok. And yes, maybe handling certain people on both sides of the aisle as what they are (e.g. war criminals) is indeed what foreign people should do. In theory, the domestic issue in the US could be solved by voting for a non-drone-killing executive – in China: good luck voting! > would you join? like I said, we had this with the nazi-party. People joined, afterwards they knew nothing, which might be true in their view because of domestic propaganda. Maybe we should wake up and tell the people clearly that they are supporting a 21-st century government actually building concentration camps. And yes, if you tell them that you have a problem with that side of things (e.g. you are only targeting politicians vanity not "the economy"), in a country as big and dense as China (they've always had their purges, yet always some opposition rose) opposition would eventually form.
    - AsyncAwait 6y ago
      > wait, first it was a "prestigious certificate", now it's mandatory. ok. It's not mandatory. But lots of things are not mandatory. You staying overtime when your team does. It's not mandatory, but is strongly implied that maybe you should stay too. All am saying is that being a member of the CCP probably should not be the (sole) deciding factor when you're letting someone in. In fact I'd think that spies would explicitly make sure to NOT be members.

fock 6y ago

so if people want to work outside of china, better not get that certificate if you don't want to be held accountable for supporting an authoritorian government. Easy. As for the spying: it's relatively common knowledge that the chinese government really likes to use the fact that someone might have relatives in mainland china to convice people that they should spy for them. So my guess is that people doing this just for the "prestige" don't even need this kind of stuff...

AsyncAwait 6y ago
> so if people want to work outside of china, better not get that certificate if you don't want to be held accountable for supporting an authoritorian government. Easy. The U.S. government killed thousands of civilians in the Middle East over the last decade with taxpayer money. So if you don't support killing civilians, stop paying taxes? Sometimes it's not as easy. > So my guess is that people doing this just for the "prestige" don't even need this kind of stuff... I get your point, but maybe "prestige" isn't the right word. If it's easier to function in society if you're a member and does not require you to commit anything immoral (at least not directly), would you join? My bet would be on yes.
- fock 6y ago
  wait, first it was a "prestigious certificate", now it's mandatory. ok. And yes, maybe handling certain people on both sides of the aisle as what they are (e.g. war criminals) is indeed what foreign people should do. In theory, the domestic issue in the US could be solved by voting for a non-drone-killing executive – in China: good luck voting! > would you join? like I said, we had this with the nazi-party. People joined, afterwards they knew nothing, which might be true in their view because of domestic propaganda. Maybe we should wake up and tell the people clearly that they are supporting a 21-st century government actually building concentration camps. And yes, if you tell them that you have a problem with that side of things (e.g. you are only targeting politicians vanity not "the economy"), in a country as big and dense as China (they've always had their purges, yet always some opposition rose) opposition would eventually form.
  - AsyncAwait 6y ago
    > wait, first it was a "prestigious certificate", now it's mandatory. ok. It's not mandatory. But lots of things are not mandatory. You staying overtime when your team does. It's not mandatory, but is strongly implied that maybe you should stay too. All am saying is that being a member of the CCP probably should not be the (sole) deciding factor when you're letting someone in. In fact I'd think that spies would explicitly make sure to NOT be members.