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https://apnews.com/abcb0ed9a84e2d3da7d87c28641ccc21 https://apnews.com/abcb0ed9a84e2d3da7d87c28641ccc21 Another vantage point from the AP. https://www.aljazee

https://apnews.com/abcb0ed9a84e2d3da7d87c28641ccc21 https://apnews.com/abcb0ed9a84e2d3da7d87c28641ccc21 Another vantage point from the AP. https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/08/israel-uae-announce-normalisation-relations-200813145645861.html https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/08/israel-uae-announce-n... And Al Jazeera for somewhat completeness.

sequoia 6y ago
If that Al Jazeera article were on Wikipedia it'd (hopefully) get hit with Weasel Words[0] complaints, at least in the lede. > ...a deal slammed by the Palestinians who called it a "treacherous stab in the back". Which Palestinians? All of them? Further down: > Hamas condemned the deal, which it said was a "treacherous stab in the back of the Palestinian people". Ah... Hamas. The same Hamas whose original charter calls for Israel to be destroyed, "invalidated" by Islam[1], whose officials as recently as last year told Palestinians around the world: "You have Jews everywhere and we must attack every Jew on the globe by way of slaughter and killing, if God permits"[2] (he was later forced to walk this back–"how magnanimous" to quote another comment ITT). Shame on Al Jazeera for regarding an organization openly committed to genocide of Jews and the destruction of Israel as the voice of "the Palestinians." I suppose they think my local butcher here in Toronto (from Hebron) should kill me and my family, because "the Palestinians" are directing him to do so. I'm glad he chooses instead he gives my kids lollipops and be a standup guy and a good friend, despite him being Palestinian and me being Jewish. Thank goodness most of us don't listen to the sectarian warmongering promulgated by the likes of Hamas & Likud and amplified by Al Jazeera & Fox News. I consider Al Jazeera treating Hamas as the de facto voice of "the Palestians" is an unfair treatment of a group (Palestinians) with diverse views. Saying Hamas represents all of them is a vicious smear against this group of people. 0: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style/Words_to_watch#Unsupported_attributions https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style/Word... 1: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamas_Covenant#Statements_about_Israel https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamas_Covenant#Statements_abou... 2: https://www.timesofisrael.com/senior-hamas-official-calls-on-members-of-palestinian-diaspora-to-kill-jews/ https://www.timesofisrael.com/senior-hamas-official-calls-on...
- jameslk 6y ago
  Quite the diatribe, but just to clarify Al Jazeera is actually citing multiple Palestinian sources for reactions in their article, not just Hamas.
  - sequoia 6y ago
    > a deal the Palestinians called a "treacherous stab in the back". This direct quote they later attribute to Hamas, not multiple Palestinian groups. What do you think the purpose of framing it in this way is? It seems to me to be picking the most inflammatory statement from the most radical of the prominent Palestinian political parties, amplifying it above all other statements, and attributing it not to the political party in question but to all Palestinians. If you read this differently I'd be very interested to learn why you think this statement was put in the first sentence of the story only to be clearly attributed pages in. I'm not sure what the purpose of referring to my post as a diatribe is. If you care to clarify I would appreciate it.
    - jameslk 6y ago
      I think a "treacherous stab in the back" (i.e. betrayal by the UAE) is an accurate way to represent what's being said in these quotes: > The Fatah movement said the UAE is "flouting its national, religious and humanitarian duties" toward the Palestinian cause. > Hanan Ashrawi, a member of the Palestinian Liberation Organization's (PLO) executive committee, said the UAE has "come out in the open on its secret dealings" with Israel. Also, I believe it's fair to assume "Palestinians" in the article means the parties/government that represent Palestine, not every individual Palestinian. Especially not Palestinians that don't even live in Palestine.
- tsimionescu 6y ago
  Isn't Hamas the main political party in Palestine? Are there Palestinians happy that annexation has been 'delayed'? You're guilty to some extent of the same kind of weasel words, but implying that Hamas does not represent the voice of a significant number of Palestinians, for better and for worse. Also, the declarations you were citing were made by a known hardliner in Hamas, while your comment implied they were an official Hamas statement.

sequoia 6y ago

If that Al Jazeera article were on Wikipedia it'd (hopefully) get hit with Weasel Words[0] complaints, at least in the lede. > ...a deal slammed by the Palestinians who called it a "treacherous stab in the back". Which Palestinians? All of them? Further down: > Hamas condemned the deal, which it said was a "treacherous stab in the back of the Palestinian people". Ah... Hamas. The same Hamas whose original charter calls for Israel to be destroyed, "invalidated" by Islam[1], whose officials as recently as last year told Palestinians around the world: "You have Jews everywhere and we must attack every Jew on the globe by way of slaughter and killing, if God permits"[2] (he was later forced to walk this back–"how magnanimous" to quote another comment ITT). Shame on Al Jazeera for regarding an organization openly committed to genocide of Jews and the destruction of Israel as the voice of "the Palestinians." I suppose they think my local butcher here in Toronto (from Hebron) should kill me and my family, because "the Palestinians" are directing him to do so. I'm glad he chooses instead he gives my kids lollipops and be a standup guy and a good friend, despite him being Palestinian and me being Jewish. Thank goodness most of us don't listen to the sectarian warmongering promulgated by the likes of Hamas & Likud and amplified by Al Jazeera & Fox News. I consider Al Jazeera treating Hamas as the de facto voice of "the Palestians" is an unfair treatment of a group (Palestinians) with diverse views. Saying Hamas represents all of them is a vicious smear against this group of people. 0: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style/Words_to_watch#Unsupported_attributions https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style/Word... 1: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamas_Covenant#Statements_about_Israel https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamas_Covenant#Statements_abou... 2: https://www.timesofisrael.com/senior-hamas-official-calls-on-members-of-palestinian-diaspora-to-kill-jews/ https://www.timesofisrael.com/senior-hamas-official-calls-on...

jameslk 6y ago
Quite the diatribe, but just to clarify Al Jazeera is actually citing multiple Palestinian sources for reactions in their article, not just Hamas.
- sequoia 6y ago
  > a deal the Palestinians called a "treacherous stab in the back". This direct quote they later attribute to Hamas, not multiple Palestinian groups. What do you think the purpose of framing it in this way is? It seems to me to be picking the most inflammatory statement from the most radical of the prominent Palestinian political parties, amplifying it above all other statements, and attributing it not to the political party in question but to all Palestinians. If you read this differently I'd be very interested to learn why you think this statement was put in the first sentence of the story only to be clearly attributed pages in. I'm not sure what the purpose of referring to my post as a diatribe is. If you care to clarify I would appreciate it.
  - jameslk 6y ago
    I think a "treacherous stab in the back" (i.e. betrayal by the UAE) is an accurate way to represent what's being said in these quotes: > The Fatah movement said the UAE is "flouting its national, religious and humanitarian duties" toward the Palestinian cause. > Hanan Ashrawi, a member of the Palestinian Liberation Organization's (PLO) executive committee, said the UAE has "come out in the open on its secret dealings" with Israel. Also, I believe it's fair to assume "Palestinians" in the article means the parties/government that represent Palestine, not every individual Palestinian. Especially not Palestinians that don't even live in Palestine.
tsimionescu 6y ago
Isn't Hamas the main political party in Palestine? Are there Palestinians happy that annexation has been 'delayed'? You're guilty to some extent of the same kind of weasel words, but implying that Hamas does not represent the voice of a significant number of Palestinians, for better and for worse. Also, the declarations you were citing were made by a known hardliner in Hamas, while your comment implied they were an official Hamas statement.