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> I can install software from other sources just fine Not when Epic paid the devs to make them exclusive (either permanently or time-limited): https://www.game

> I can install software from other sources just fine Not when Epic paid the devs to make them exclusive (either permanently or time-limited): https://www.gamewatcher.com/news/Epic-games-store-exclusives https://www.gamewatcher.com/news/Epic-games-store-exclusives Unless you are referring to warez as the other source, of coursse

gsich 6y ago
I can install software from other sources just fine. Doesn't have to be the same software. But why is having the Epic store such a problem?
- chrismeller 6y ago
  He wasn’t saying the store was a problem, he was saying that having the store with titles you have an exclusive license to is a problem.
  - gsich 6y ago
    >No matter who wins between Epic and Apple human people lose. They're both walled garden monopolists. This was the comparison, which is obviously wrong. Apple has a monopoly and a walled garden. Neither does Epic have a monopoly with their store, nor a walled garden, as the PC is not a walled garden. So, no. There was nothing said about exclusives.
- rurounijones 6y ago
  You seem to be moving the goalposts here. > Epic has no "walled garden". Epic is explicitly a walled garden regarding the games it has paid to be exclusive within that walled gardren (Permanently or temporarily). > The PC is an open platform. An iPhone is not. You are conflating hardware / software here. PC hardware is an open platform. The software is running on it is not necessarily. You could be running Linux or Windows for example. (Of which only Windows has an official Epic Games Launcher client). > If I don't like the Epic store, I can install software from other sources just fine. We are talking about the context of games so "software" means a particular game of which there is only one. Not "Any random note-taking application". Therefore, in the context of games, no you cannot get that software (game) legally from any other source if Epic paid for it to be exclusive.
  - MattRix 6y ago
    That is not what a walled garden is. If the developers have a choice of where to sell their software, and choose to make it exclusive, that is totally fine! It's their software, they can choose how it is sold. It's only a walled garden if there is no other option to distribute your games but with that company... so either an enforced monopoly (Apple) or de-facto monopoly (Steam, but this is arguable).
    - rurounijones 6y ago
      Replied to sibling comment in a bit more detail but I think we are looking at it form different viewpoints. "customers" vs "developers"
    - DivisionSol 6y ago
      Developers have a choice when it comes to Apple as well. They make their software, and they chose to sell it on Android and iOS devices. Is it just because Apple is “big” and has cultivated themselves a valuable customer base the reason they are now... mandatory? No one is forcing you to release on iOS.
  - fenomas 6y ago
    > Epic is explicitly a walled garden regarding the games it has paid to be exclusive That's not what walled garden means. PC game developers can sell their games any number of ways - if they choose one way instead of others that's up to them. For iOS there's no choice - either you sell through Apple or you don't support iOS. Hence "walled garden". In short: if you have to pay people to come into your garden, it's not walled. ;)
    - rurounijones 6y ago
      aha, I think we are coming at the term "walled garden" from opposite ends. For a developer I agree with you, it is not a walled garden, they can sell games however they want, epic is one option who happen to be the only one that pays, out of all the stores, 3rd parties for exclusivity. For a customer it is a walled garden for those exclusive games in that I cannot play those games without having to install and sign-up for the Epic Games Store because they paid to make them exclusive (again, permanently or temporarily).

gsich 6y ago

I can install software from other sources just fine. Doesn't have to be the same software. But why is having the Epic store such a problem?

chrismeller 6y ago
He wasn’t saying the store was a problem, he was saying that having the store with titles you have an exclusive license to is a problem.
- gsich 6y ago
  >No matter who wins between Epic and Apple human people lose. They're both walled garden monopolists. This was the comparison, which is obviously wrong. Apple has a monopoly and a walled garden. Neither does Epic have a monopoly with their store, nor a walled garden, as the PC is not a walled garden. So, no. There was nothing said about exclusives.
rurounijones 6y ago
You seem to be moving the goalposts here. > Epic has no "walled garden". Epic is explicitly a walled garden regarding the games it has paid to be exclusive within that walled gardren (Permanently or temporarily). > The PC is an open platform. An iPhone is not. You are conflating hardware / software here. PC hardware is an open platform. The software is running on it is not necessarily. You could be running Linux or Windows for example. (Of which only Windows has an official Epic Games Launcher client). > If I don't like the Epic store, I can install software from other sources just fine. We are talking about the context of games so "software" means a particular game of which there is only one. Not "Any random note-taking application". Therefore, in the context of games, no you cannot get that software (game) legally from any other source if Epic paid for it to be exclusive.
- MattRix 6y ago
  That is not what a walled garden is. If the developers have a choice of where to sell their software, and choose to make it exclusive, that is totally fine! It's their software, they can choose how it is sold. It's only a walled garden if there is no other option to distribute your games but with that company... so either an enforced monopoly (Apple) or de-facto monopoly (Steam, but this is arguable).
  - rurounijones 6y ago
    Replied to sibling comment in a bit more detail but I think we are looking at it form different viewpoints. "customers" vs "developers"
  - DivisionSol 6y ago
    Developers have a choice when it comes to Apple as well. They make their software, and they chose to sell it on Android and iOS devices. Is it just because Apple is “big” and has cultivated themselves a valuable customer base the reason they are now... mandatory? No one is forcing you to release on iOS.
- fenomas 6y ago
  > Epic is explicitly a walled garden regarding the games it has paid to be exclusive That's not what walled garden means. PC game developers can sell their games any number of ways - if they choose one way instead of others that's up to them. For iOS there's no choice - either you sell through Apple or you don't support iOS. Hence "walled garden". In short: if you have to pay people to come into your garden, it's not walled. ;)
  - rurounijones 6y ago
    aha, I think we are coming at the term "walled garden" from opposite ends. For a developer I agree with you, it is not a walled garden, they can sell games however they want, epic is one option who happen to be the only one that pays, out of all the stores, 3rd parties for exclusivity. For a customer it is a walled garden for those exclusive games in that I cannot play those games without having to install and sign-up for the Epic Games Store because they paid to make them exclusive (again, permanently or temporarily).