Yeah I honestly never get these threads. I think perhaps it's C++ veterans that have the language spec memorized, and so they have forgotten that C++ is an abso

Yeah I honestly never get these threads. I think perhaps it's C++ veterans that have the language spec memorized, and so they have forgotten that C++ is an absolute minefield and has a much steeper learning curve. I've been using Rust for 3+ years, and while it has a learning curve wrt lifetimes, it's nowhere near as hard to learn as C++ IMO. I recently tried to pick up C++ (yes, I know, weird to have gone to Rust prior to C++), and I finally just gave up and went back to Rust because nothing works how I would expect it to. There are so many edge cases and weird things you have to know to use C++ effectively. Also add in the fact that you still need to learn lifetimes in C or C++, except now you are responsible for tracking them rather than the compiler.