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If this is done by a fifteen year old, well done. Given the poor quality of so many web sites, well done regardless. And my apologies if I'm entirely off here,

If this is done by a fifteen year old, well done. Given the poor quality of so many web sites, well done regardless. And my apologies if I'm entirely off here, but given how integrated the bedtime calculator is with the mattress sales part of the site, I can't shake the idea anymore that we all fell for clever marketing, here, instead of that we're presumed to be looking at an aspiring, young developer's plea for recognition.

strogonoff 6y ago
> I can't shake the idea anymore that we all fell for clever marketing, here, instead of that we're presumed to be looking at an aspiring, young developer's plea for recognition Marketing play is doubtless; whether the age is genuine or not is a coin toss—as tends to be with affiliate sites, developers go out of their way to avoid referencing a real persona. It’s entirely possible that it was built by a teenager, but then a stronger accomplishment to advertise would’ve been “I have developed an affiliate marketing site at 15 years old”.
- joshternyak 6y ago
  I was hired by the owner of the site to build the bedtime calculator tool. I do not own the site.
  - strogonoff 6y ago
    Interesting! For some reason I’ve never thought of posting work I’ve done for hire under Show HN label…
bemmu 6y ago
Reminds me of this part in Derek's new book on music promotion, on how the very same thing can be perceived very differently based on context. "Imagine you see a caged feather on a museum wall. The sign underneath says the artist is a political activist in jail. Imagine that same caged feather again. But instead the sign says the artist is a high school kid in Florida. Or imagine that the only way to see it is to crawl deep into a shrinking tunnel that opens into a room of mirrors, where the caged feather is suspended by a thread. Same feather. Very different perceptions."
- deleted 6y ago
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- goblin89 6y ago
  Lately I can’t help wondering how emergence of aggregating platforms like YouTube (your video is in the same place as “500 Funniest Fails 2020”) or Spotify (your song appears next to generated muzak by fake artists) and arrival of mobile devices (your work, no matter how special to you, can be absorbed by someone sitting on a toilet) are shifting the context in which art is perceived and affecting the art itself.
  - mcintyre1994 6y ago
    It's not quite the same thing, but on your comment about the platform affecting the art, you might find this dicussion about music interesting: https://www.theverge.com/2019/5/28/18642978/music-streaming-spotify-song-length-distribution-production-switched-on-pop-vergecast-interview https://www.theverge.com/2019/5/28/18642978/music-streaming-... > One of the main things that has changed is how people are getting paid, and it’s is affecting how songs are being written. In the past, you used to get paid if you sold an album or a single. In 1995, we had songs that were coming in at four minutes and 30 seconds. Today, songs are down to three minutes and 42 seconds, because of the difference in how artists are getting paid now. Instead of getting paid by physical sales, you’re getting paid in a stream, which only counts if someone listens to 30 seconds of a song. It actually makes sense if you can have more songs streamed at a time, which means that you want to pack your album full of much shorter songs. So if you have an album like Drake’s Scorpion, which is a really long double album coming in at almost 90 minutes, he’s got a ton of really short songs on there, because he gets paid for every song you listen to, whether or not you listen to the whole album. > Not only are songs getting shorter, but the way artists are introducing their songs is changing. Gone is the era of long intros that sort of slowly get you into the song. Today, we are not only seeing songs getting shorter, but there is a sort of a new song structure that we’ve observed that we’ve called the pop overture, where basically a song, at the very beginning, will play a hint of the chorus in the first five to 10 seconds so that the hook is in your ear, hoping that you’ll stick around till about 30 seconds in when the full chorus eventually comes in.
BtM909 6y ago
If I can join the guessing game. It could also be that a 15 yr old was asked (or offered) to add this functionality for the mattress company and he's "showing" off here on HN
sixQuarks 6y ago
Sleepsource is definitely not the brainchild of a 15 year old. Yeah, it'd be nice to know why this app wasn't built as a stand alone page.
- jaybeeayyy 6y ago
  According to their facebook it seems like the entire sleepsource site is theirs. "I am a 15 year old front-end web developer and am working on growing sleepsources.com" https://www.facebook.com/josh.ternyak.3 https://www.facebook.com/josh.ternyak.3
  - sixQuarks 6y ago
    OK, then I'm impressed. Kudos to that kid
  - joshternyak 6y ago
    * By building a bedtime calculator tool. I do not own the site.
- joshternyak 6y ago
  I was hired by the owner of the site to build the bedtime calculator tool. I do not own the site.
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joshternyak 6y ago
I was hired by the owner of the site to build the bedtime calculator tool. I do not own the site.
Hitton 6y ago
You are right. Your comment combined with dozens of inane one line exclamations about how well done, great, etc. this is made me kinda suspicious. And indeed, one of his previous submitted links is some kind of guide on how to clean tile floors in 2020. Some of the commenters here are commenting twice, saying basically some thing and even their history is full of low effort comments. Nobody can convince me this isn't a spam ring.

strogonoff 6y ago

> I can't shake the idea anymore that we all fell for clever marketing, here, instead of that we're presumed to be looking at an aspiring, young developer's plea for recognition Marketing play is doubtless; whether the age is genuine or not is a coin toss—as tends to be with affiliate sites, developers go out of their way to avoid referencing a real persona. It’s entirely possible that it was built by a teenager, but then a stronger accomplishment to advertise would’ve been “I have developed an affiliate marketing site at 15 years old”.

joshternyak 6y ago
I was hired by the owner of the site to build the bedtime calculator tool. I do not own the site.
- strogonoff 6y ago
  Interesting! For some reason I’ve never thought of posting work I’ve done for hire under Show HN label…

bemmu 6y ago

Reminds me of this part in Derek's new book on music promotion, on how the very same thing can be perceived very differently based on context. "Imagine you see a caged feather on a museum wall. The sign underneath says the artist is a political activist in jail. Imagine that same caged feather again. But instead the sign says the artist is a high school kid in Florida. Or imagine that the only way to see it is to crawl deep into a shrinking tunnel that opens into a room of mirrors, where the caged feather is suspended by a thread. Same feather. Very different perceptions."

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goblin89 6y ago
Lately I can’t help wondering how emergence of aggregating platforms like YouTube (your video is in the same place as “500 Funniest Fails 2020”) or Spotify (your song appears next to generated muzak by fake artists) and arrival of mobile devices (your work, no matter how special to you, can be absorbed by someone sitting on a toilet) are shifting the context in which art is perceived and affecting the art itself.
- mcintyre1994 6y ago
  It's not quite the same thing, but on your comment about the platform affecting the art, you might find this dicussion about music interesting: https://www.theverge.com/2019/5/28/18642978/music-streaming-spotify-song-length-distribution-production-switched-on-pop-vergecast-interview https://www.theverge.com/2019/5/28/18642978/music-streaming-... > One of the main things that has changed is how people are getting paid, and it’s is affecting how songs are being written. In the past, you used to get paid if you sold an album or a single. In 1995, we had songs that were coming in at four minutes and 30 seconds. Today, songs are down to three minutes and 42 seconds, because of the difference in how artists are getting paid now. Instead of getting paid by physical sales, you’re getting paid in a stream, which only counts if someone listens to 30 seconds of a song. It actually makes sense if you can have more songs streamed at a time, which means that you want to pack your album full of much shorter songs. So if you have an album like Drake’s Scorpion, which is a really long double album coming in at almost 90 minutes, he’s got a ton of really short songs on there, because he gets paid for every song you listen to, whether or not you listen to the whole album. > Not only are songs getting shorter, but the way artists are introducing their songs is changing. Gone is the era of long intros that sort of slowly get you into the song. Today, we are not only seeing songs getting shorter, but there is a sort of a new song structure that we’ve observed that we’ve called the pop overture, where basically a song, at the very beginning, will play a hint of the chorus in the first five to 10 seconds so that the hook is in your ear, hoping that you’ll stick around till about 30 seconds in when the full chorus eventually comes in.

BtM909 6y ago

If I can join the guessing game. It could also be that a 15 yr old was asked (or offered) to add this functionality for the mattress company and he's "showing" off here on HN

sixQuarks 6y ago

Sleepsource is definitely not the brainchild of a 15 year old. Yeah, it'd be nice to know why this app wasn't built as a stand alone page.

jaybeeayyy 6y ago
According to their facebook it seems like the entire sleepsource site is theirs. "I am a 15 year old front-end web developer and am working on growing sleepsources.com" https://www.facebook.com/josh.ternyak.3 https://www.facebook.com/josh.ternyak.3
- sixQuarks 6y ago
  OK, then I'm impressed. Kudos to that kid
- joshternyak 6y ago
  * By building a bedtime calculator tool. I do not own the site.
joshternyak 6y ago
I was hired by the owner of the site to build the bedtime calculator tool. I do not own the site.

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joshternyak 6y ago

I was hired by the owner of the site to build the bedtime calculator tool. I do not own the site.

Hitton 6y ago

You are right. Your comment combined with dozens of inane one line exclamations about how well done, great, etc. this is made me kinda suspicious. And indeed, one of his previous submitted links is some kind of guide on how to clean tile floors in 2020. Some of the commenters here are commenting twice, saying basically some thing and even their history is full of low effort comments. Nobody can convince me this isn't a spam ring.