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I think you're both kinda right? Drive is great. Leverage it heavily as a manager. But when it comes to kids, the problems I see are that (a) cognitively spea
by donw 6y ago
I think you're both kinda right?
Drive is great. Leverage it heavily as a manager.
But when it comes to kids, the problems I see are that (a) cognitively speaking, children are not tiny adults; and (b) if you want them to be successful and happy adults, you need to give kids the ability to work through mountains of "I Need To Do This Even Though It Sucks"
Cognitive development is an amazing process to watch -- you can see as brains grow and develop a wide variety of skills we take for granted.
But what that means is that you can't treat a six-year-old as an adult.
Their thinking is likely highly egocentric, because they have not yet developed the ability to realize that "my feelings and wants" are different from "other peoples' feelings and wants".
In their world, when they like Pokemon, they literally believe that everybody in the world feels the same way about Pokemon that they do. They just haven't yet gained the ability to handle that concept.
So, up to age eleven or so, you need to put enough structure around children to deal with their cognitive development path. Rules that are consistently enforced are critical (it's also good if those rules, in fact, make sense), with a gradual loosening of constraints as the child grows the ability to handle greater responsibilities.
This path continues from eleven -- when, cognitively, your child is now a functioning adult -- onwards towards the age of majority.
You still need to provide structure, but with enough freedom and ability to bend-or-change the rules such that the child can learn how to make their own decisions. Your goal is ramp them towards the full set of adult responsibilities, as quickly as they are able to handle it.
The problem with a lot of "traditional" education is that it failed to do the latter in a lot of ways -- rigid structure until age of majority, and then bam!, you're an adult, good luck.
This is compounded by how much regulation and how little slack there is in society. In the 70s, teenagers commonly brought rifles to school (because they were on the shooting team, or going hunting afterwards). Nowadays, kids are getting expelled for accidentally forgetting a tiny, micro-sized pocketknife.
The problem with "modern" education is that there is no expectation that you will ever assume responsibility. If you've dealt with a lot of recent graduates, you probably know what I mean. They have been denied much of the experience required for them to mature as adults, all in the name of keeping them "safe".
Including being "safe" from boredom. Which relates to giving kids the ability to get through mountains of drudgery.
That skill is so critical.
And I didn't really master it until I was an adult, much to my disadvantage.
If Elon Musk and every one of his employees were to vanish tomorrow, I'd be sad. SpaceX is cool. But my life would go on.
If the organization that handles sewage for my city were to vanish tomorrow, I would soon be, quite literally, in a world of shit.
I doubt that working for a sewage treatment plant offers much in the way of Autonomy. Mastery, perhaps? Purpose, absolutely.
And I doubt most kids grow up dreaming of being a waste engineer.
It's a hard job, and it demands grit. But that job makes modern life possible, and I don't see us setting up kids to be able to tackle both kinds of challenges.
- hamandcheese 6y ago> (a) children are not tiny adults Adults are merely large children. Edit: I did read the rest of your comment and generally agree whole heartedly.
- donw 6y agoHave edited for clarity, thanks! And I do know a frighteningly large number of thirty-odd-year old children. :)
- kqr 6y ago> I doubt that working for a sewage treatment plant offers much in the way of Autonomy. I wouldn't be so sure. I think Deming (and, perhaps more concretely, the Toyota Production System) has showed us that there is a surprising amount of autonomy that can be unlocked even for the most menial roles. Treating low-level workers with respect, training them well, and listening to what they have to say is a mutually beneficial agreement. They are the people who know what is really going on in the processes they control. They are (or at least should be!) the most informed people in the room when it comes to decisions around those processes. In exchange for their valuable input, low-level workers should, then, get a piece of autonomy. If they have figured out a way to prevent mistakes, or a more efficient procedure to accomplish their objective, they can do it their way – with the support of management. Of course, if they know they aren't respected or listened to, it will never occur to them even to think about improvements. Really, it's two sides of the same coin.
- cycomanic 6y agoThere is some fascinating research on how children think vs adults. Adults use much more their frontal cortex (responsible for rational thought). However, when children experience trauma, e.g. abuse they will use much more their frontal cortex. The kicker is that those kids when they become adults use the frontal cortex much less, thus becoming more impulsive less rational.
- Tainnor 6y agoJust saying, in Europe kids didn't bring rifles to school in the 70s and they are not getting expelled for accidentally bringing in pocket knives nowadays.