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Ugg.. I have macOS 10.12, and office from work. I get prompts to update word, which then tell me to update the OS... Good times. I probably should shift to

Ugg.. I have macOS 10.12, and office from work. I get prompts to update word, which then tell me to update the OS... Good times. I probably should shift to libre office exclusively...

ilikepi 6y ago
We have an old iMac running 10.11. I use an old version of Numbers on it, and it regularly prompts me to say there is a new version of Numbers available. If I search for Numbers in the App Store, it says it requires 10.13 or higher. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
- gumby 6y ago
  I wonder if you tried to download it though if it would give you the latest version for your os.
  - ilikepi 6y ago
    If I click "Update", I get a spinner in the upper left of the App Store window, but nothing appears to happen otherwise.
- xenonite 6y ago
  Lucky guy, 10.11 is the last to decently display PDFs. I am still on 10.11 only because of that (I am an academic, reading and writing papers).
  - ArgyleSound 6y ago
    I'm unaware, what is the issue with later versions?
    - Angostura 6y ago
      Likewise. On 10.14 here - what are the issues?
      - macintux 6y ago
        I suspect GP was referring to anti-aliasing for low-res displays, but I’m not sure. I’ve certainly heard that complaint about Preview specifically. https://www.howtogeek.com/358596/how-to-fix-blurry-fonts-on-macos-mojave-with-subpixel-antialiasing/ https://www.howtogeek.com/358596/how-to-fix-blurry-fonts-on-...
    - xenonite 6y ago
      The issue is that subpixel antialiasing is removed, which affects both retina displays and, more heavily, the non-retina display. In 10.12, Apple reimplemented its PDF renderer. With that, the subpixel antialiasing was removed. This affects all apps that use it (Preview, Safari, Quicklook, etc.). In 10.14, Apple turned of subpixel antialiasing in the rest of the operating system (dialogs, buttons, etc.). However, this can be re-enabled by running: defaults write -g CGFontRenderingFontSmoothingDisabled -bool NO In 10.15 and 11.0, subpixel antialiasing is completely gone, and can't be re-enabled. And there isn't a way to use the 10.11's PDF renderer in 10.12 onwards. However, at least a little bit of luck (until 10.13, maybe 10.14): with above setting you find subpixel antialiasing in some a third party PDF apps that were compiled using the 10.11 frameworks, like PDFpen 9 or PDF Expert 2.4.15.
hajimemash 6y ago
Ha! You are me, 24 hours ago, you poor unfortunate soul. Let me save you an hour of your life. * Be me, 24 hours ago. * Have the desire to find alternate word processor * Find out that macOS support in LibreOffice, and another alternative OpenOffice, is an elaborate hoax similar to this function: func libreOpenOfficeForMacUsers(time:3600s, bandwidth:500MB) { while (time) { time -= 1; sleep } return poop } Basically, running the apps on macs using retina displays (intr. 2012) results in 100% CPU usage when scrolling even on a blank page, presumably due to a bug or an extremely inefficient update/drawing method. This has been an issue for 8 years. Bug link for LibreOffice https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=113104 https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=113104 I downloaded and tried out both LibreOffice, OpenOffice. The result was 4fps while scrolling or resizing windows, and of course there was the expected extreme heat generation and 100.0 energy usage in activity monitor due to max CPU usage. [My mac is MBP2020 w 5600m, and yes I love it A LOT!] * Back to the drawing board. Markdown, perhaps?
- saagarjha 6y ago
  Have you tried iWork?
  - qubex 6y ago
    I use Pages as my go-to word-processor and Numbers (on account of its table-in-sheet paradigm) is my favourite spreadsheet by far. I wish they’d beef the latter up a bit with ODBC access and support for iterated solution (very useful for balancing projected cashflow where interest-on-short-term-debt & amount-of-short-term-debt depend on each other) and something more akin to pivot tables. Pity, it could really be a thermonuclear option, instead they just add useless stuff like collaboration features and smart annotations.... I’ve never really used Keynote because that simply isn’t in my line of work. I really think Apple has a winner on their hands and are handicapping it deliberately either out of neglect or because they didn’t want to scare Microsoft off back in the day and have some kind of gentleman’s agreement going...
    - macintux 6y ago
dagaci 6y ago
Is is not possible to update the OS? isnt 10.12 quite old?
Angostura 6y ago
Libre Office, or just see how you get on with Pages, Numbers, Keynote. I like them
- faitswulff 6y ago
  My only problem with Pages is that I can’t figure out how to replace the text in templates without obliterating it completely. Otherwise it’s a good Word replacement.
  - crottypeter 6y ago
    Pages is not a suitable Word replacement at all! Send a Word attachment to _anyone_ to collaborate. They can open, read and edit the file (cross platform: Windows, Mac, Linux, Android, iOS) Send a pages attachment. Receiving party won't know what it is and won't be able to open or read it let alone edit it.
    - shuckles 6y ago
      Pages is available on iCloud.com. The web version seems pretty close to parity with the native applications.
      - damnyou 6y ago
        Can you use that if you are offline, or otherwise have no contact with the Apple ecosystem?
    - thewebcount 6y ago
      > Send a Word attachment to _anyone_ to collaborate. They can open, read and edit the file If they hate themselves. Because no other app renders Word documents quite correctly, you end up with pagination problems, missing fonts, etc. PDF would be a better choice, or Rich Text if they have to edit it. I pretty much refuse Word documents because of how awful they are to work with if you're not running Word on Windows.
    - Angostura 6y ago
acdha 6y ago
If you’re running 10.12 you are missing enough other security improvements that this is unlikely to be the greatest risk.

Ugg.. I have macOS 10.12, and office from work. I get prompts to update word, which then tell me to update the OS... Good times. I probably should shift to libre office exclusively...

ilikepi 6y ago

We have an old iMac running 10.11. I use an old version of Numbers on it, and it regularly prompts me to say there is a new version of Numbers available. If I search for Numbers in the App Store, it says it requires 10.13 or higher. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

gumby 6y ago
I wonder if you tried to download it though if it would give you the latest version for your os.
- ilikepi 6y ago
  If I click "Update", I get a spinner in the upper left of the App Store window, but nothing appears to happen otherwise.
xenonite 6y ago
Lucky guy, 10.11 is the last to decently display PDFs. I am still on 10.11 only because of that (I am an academic, reading and writing papers).
- ArgyleSound 6y ago
  I'm unaware, what is the issue with later versions?
  - Angostura 6y ago
    Likewise. On 10.14 here - what are the issues?
    - macintux 6y ago
      I suspect GP was referring to anti-aliasing for low-res displays, but I’m not sure. I’ve certainly heard that complaint about Preview specifically. https://www.howtogeek.com/358596/how-to-fix-blurry-fonts-on-macos-mojave-with-subpixel-antialiasing/ https://www.howtogeek.com/358596/how-to-fix-blurry-fonts-on-...
  - xenonite 6y ago
    The issue is that subpixel antialiasing is removed, which affects both retina displays and, more heavily, the non-retina display. In 10.12, Apple reimplemented its PDF renderer. With that, the subpixel antialiasing was removed. This affects all apps that use it (Preview, Safari, Quicklook, etc.). In 10.14, Apple turned of subpixel antialiasing in the rest of the operating system (dialogs, buttons, etc.). However, this can be re-enabled by running: defaults write -g CGFontRenderingFontSmoothingDisabled -bool NO In 10.15 and 11.0, subpixel antialiasing is completely gone, and can't be re-enabled. And there isn't a way to use the 10.11's PDF renderer in 10.12 onwards. However, at least a little bit of luck (until 10.13, maybe 10.14): with above setting you find subpixel antialiasing in some a third party PDF apps that were compiled using the 10.11 frameworks, like PDFpen 9 or PDF Expert 2.4.15.

hajimemash 6y ago

Ha! You are me, 24 hours ago, you poor unfortunate soul. Let me save you an hour of your life. * Be me, 24 hours ago. * Have the desire to find alternate word processor * Find out that macOS support in LibreOffice, and another alternative OpenOffice, is an elaborate hoax similar to this function: func libreOpenOfficeForMacUsers(time:3600s, bandwidth:500MB) { while (time) { time -= 1; sleep } return poop } Basically, running the apps on macs using retina displays (intr. 2012) results in 100% CPU usage when scrolling even on a blank page, presumably due to a bug or an extremely inefficient update/drawing method. This has been an issue for 8 years. Bug link for LibreOffice https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=113104 https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=113104 I downloaded and tried out both LibreOffice, OpenOffice. The result was 4fps while scrolling or resizing windows, and of course there was the expected extreme heat generation and 100.0 energy usage in activity monitor due to max CPU usage. [My mac is MBP2020 w 5600m, and yes I love it A LOT!] * Back to the drawing board. Markdown, perhaps?

saagarjha 6y ago
Have you tried iWork?
- qubex 6y ago
  I use Pages as my go-to word-processor and Numbers (on account of its table-in-sheet paradigm) is my favourite spreadsheet by far. I wish they’d beef the latter up a bit with ODBC access and support for iterated solution (very useful for balancing projected cashflow where interest-on-short-term-debt & amount-of-short-term-debt depend on each other) and something more akin to pivot tables. Pity, it could really be a thermonuclear option, instead they just add useless stuff like collaboration features and smart annotations.... I’ve never really used Keynote because that simply isn’t in my line of work. I really think Apple has a winner on their hands and are handicapping it deliberately either out of neglect or because they didn’t want to scare Microsoft off back in the day and have some kind of gentleman’s agreement going...
  - macintux 6y ago

dagaci 6y ago

Is is not possible to update the OS? isnt 10.12 quite old?

Angostura 6y ago

Libre Office, or just see how you get on with Pages, Numbers, Keynote. I like them

faitswulff 6y ago
My only problem with Pages is that I can’t figure out how to replace the text in templates without obliterating it completely. Otherwise it’s a good Word replacement.
- crottypeter 6y ago
  Pages is not a suitable Word replacement at all! Send a Word attachment to _anyone_ to collaborate. They can open, read and edit the file (cross platform: Windows, Mac, Linux, Android, iOS) Send a pages attachment. Receiving party won't know what it is and won't be able to open or read it let alone edit it.
  - shuckles 6y ago
    Pages is available on iCloud.com. The web version seems pretty close to parity with the native applications.
    - damnyou 6y ago
      Can you use that if you are offline, or otherwise have no contact with the Apple ecosystem?
  - thewebcount 6y ago
    > Send a Word attachment to _anyone_ to collaborate. They can open, read and edit the file If they hate themselves. Because no other app renders Word documents quite correctly, you end up with pagination problems, missing fonts, etc. PDF would be a better choice, or Rich Text if they have to edit it. I pretty much refuse Word documents because of how awful they are to work with if you're not running Word on Windows.
  - Angostura 6y ago

acdha 6y ago

If you’re running 10.12 you are missing enough other security improvements that this is unlikely to be the greatest risk.