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It does not strike me as a legitimate case to strip people of their human right to free agency and will by forcing people to do things they don't want to or may

It does not strike me as a legitimate case to strip people of their human right to free agency and will by forcing people to do things they don't want to or may even be dangerous to their health and safety. It should be anyone's right to refuse going to dangerous neighborhoods, just like forcing drivers to drive out into nowhere where they have to spend their own money/resources to get back to the network, should be compensated by Uber if they want that feature. It's rather abusive and tyrannical to force people to do things against their will or safety. But I am guessing you live in a dangerous neighborhood because you did not "discriminate" and are paying really low rents since you don't discriminate. Right? … exactly!

ytpete 6y ago
> It does not strike me as a legitimate case to strip people of their human right to free agency and will by forcing people to do things they don't want to or may even be dangerous But in a normal employer-employee relationship, this is totally typical. You can't sign up to be a firefighter but then refuse to go into burning buildings that you find too scary. You can't get a job as a developer and then refuse JIRA tickets you find boring, claiming that's your "human right." In those cases, and with Uber as well, your free agency is that you can quit the job if you don't like it. But you have no fundamental right to be retained as an employee or contractor while refusing to do parts of the job you'd signed onto. The employer has their own right to terminate you if so.
- WrongThinkerNo5 6y ago
  You can't seriously be suggesting that knowingly choosing to become a firefighter, where the main task is endangering yourself (for which people are also selected, as you have forgotten), or that not wanting to deal with boring JIRA tickets is the same thing as being sent to dangerous neighborhoods where you could very likely be assaulted and/or killed, when you don't have to because there are also other places where crime is not out of control and a real and measurable risk to one's life and safety does not exist? When you choose to become, e.g., an Uber driver, you are NOT primarily signing up to willingly expose yourself to risk to life and limb, like a soldier, firefighter, policeman. You have a very abusive mentality about that which seems more fitting for some industrial age foreman or something; "you don't want to risk cutting off your arm? You can quit, and dozens of others will replace you!" But I suspect you really don't realize that, because people like you that want to force others into unhealthy, unsafe, and dangerous situations, are usually the ones who live the most privileged, sheltered, and comfortable lives where the biggest risk they see is the possibility of eating non-organic produce.
Jommi 6y ago
You realize its OK to decline trips, and also to stop using a ridehailing service that mandates a policy like this? >should be compensated by Uber if they want that feature. Do you really think Uber has not gone through these thoughts millions of time in the past? I can personally tell you that these are things that are constantly discussed and evluated, with the primer driver of everything being the growth of the service.
fastball 6y ago
You still have free agency. As an Uber driver, you can accept a ride, pick up the rider, get the destination, decide you don't want to go there, and then kick the rider out of your car. Then, Uber can decide that they no longer want you to be a driver on their platform.
- WrongThinkerNo5 6y ago
  That's not free agency, especially not when Uber and Lyft are essentially your only viable choices and there are immense institutional tyrannical pressures that are also making these corporations force their "employees" into dangerous areas/situations against all normal good human judgement. As I have said elsewhere maybe, it should be up to people to choose not to endanger themselves, especially without compensation and it should be left to others to fill that void and make the money. At the very least, there should be an immense risk premium that would make people choose whether it is worth the risk to drive to risky areas. It is immensely abusive and rather evil to force people into these kinds of things against their will, especially by people who likely do not subject themselves to things they are fast to decree and prescribe for others.

ytpete 6y ago

> It does not strike me as a legitimate case to strip people of their human right to free agency and will by forcing people to do things they don't want to or may even be dangerous But in a normal employer-employee relationship, this is totally typical. You can't sign up to be a firefighter but then refuse to go into burning buildings that you find too scary. You can't get a job as a developer and then refuse JIRA tickets you find boring, claiming that's your "human right." In those cases, and with Uber as well, your free agency is that you can quit the job if you don't like it. But you have no fundamental right to be retained as an employee or contractor while refusing to do parts of the job you'd signed onto. The employer has their own right to terminate you if so.

WrongThinkerNo5 6y ago
You can't seriously be suggesting that knowingly choosing to become a firefighter, where the main task is endangering yourself (for which people are also selected, as you have forgotten), or that not wanting to deal with boring JIRA tickets is the same thing as being sent to dangerous neighborhoods where you could very likely be assaulted and/or killed, when you don't have to because there are also other places where crime is not out of control and a real and measurable risk to one's life and safety does not exist? When you choose to become, e.g., an Uber driver, you are NOT primarily signing up to willingly expose yourself to risk to life and limb, like a soldier, firefighter, policeman. You have a very abusive mentality about that which seems more fitting for some industrial age foreman or something; "you don't want to risk cutting off your arm? You can quit, and dozens of others will replace you!" But I suspect you really don't realize that, because people like you that want to force others into unhealthy, unsafe, and dangerous situations, are usually the ones who live the most privileged, sheltered, and comfortable lives where the biggest risk they see is the possibility of eating non-organic produce.

Jommi 6y ago

You realize its OK to decline trips, and also to stop using a ridehailing service that mandates a policy like this? >should be compensated by Uber if they want that feature. Do you really think Uber has not gone through these thoughts millions of time in the past? I can personally tell you that these are things that are constantly discussed and evluated, with the primer driver of everything being the growth of the service.

fastball 6y ago

You still have free agency. As an Uber driver, you can accept a ride, pick up the rider, get the destination, decide you don't want to go there, and then kick the rider out of your car. Then, Uber can decide that they no longer want you to be a driver on their platform.

WrongThinkerNo5 6y ago
That's not free agency, especially not when Uber and Lyft are essentially your only viable choices and there are immense institutional tyrannical pressures that are also making these corporations force their "employees" into dangerous areas/situations against all normal good human judgement. As I have said elsewhere maybe, it should be up to people to choose not to endanger themselves, especially without compensation and it should be left to others to fill that void and make the money. At the very least, there should be an immense risk premium that would make people choose whether it is worth the risk to drive to risky areas. It is immensely abusive and rather evil to force people into these kinds of things against their will, especially by people who likely do not subject themselves to things they are fast to decree and prescribe for others.