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I'm not quite sure how this is portrayed as NIMBYism. As a Toronto resident there was more than enough news about how well reasoned arguments from Privacy expe

I'm not quite sure how this is portrayed as NIMBYism. As a Toronto resident there was more than enough news about how well reasoned arguments from Privacy experts weren't addressed very well by Sidewalk labs. It isn't a very trivial thing when high profile people like Ann Cavoukian resigns from the project. Portraying it as a case of NIMBYism gone too far is just revisionist history.

strig 6y ago
Agreed. Most people I know were at least curious/interested about the project, but also had serious reservations about Google's privacy and data collection and wanted stricter oversight on how their personal data would be used.
- sandworm101 6y ago
  >>stricter oversight on how their personal data would be used. Beyond that, how many would have opted for "don't collect let alone use anything about me". I have never met anyone who actually wants their physical movement to be tracked by advertisers, not for infinite starbucks discounts. Most hesitate at the idea of employers or even family members tracking them 24/7.
  - strig 6y ago
    > Most hesitate at allowing their employers to track them after hours Is that a real thing?
    - sandworm101 6y ago
      Do you have a work-issued cellphone? I do. I also carry my own phone but my job requires that I have the work phone on me 24/7 when out of the office.
      - sebastien_bois 6y ago
        On-call? Do you get on-call pay? If not, have you asked for 3x normal salary, since they apparently think they own you 24/7?
mokarma 6y ago
> well reasoned arguments from Privacy experts weren't addressed very well How does one become a Privacy expert? What qualifications are needed?
- boarnoah 6y ago
  Basing this off a few very interesting people I've interacted with in the Information Security field wrt Healthcare) as coop student then some contract work. Usually they tended to be either Law or Infosec folks who ended up in roles where they did consulting or setting up policies for companies. Then with experience becoming SMEs with regards to Privacy and either operating as independent consultants or working with governments/companies as Privacy officers/commissioners etc... As far as I know most of them didn't have much in common as far as certs or specific educational background it was mostly a mix of similar work experiences as well as being in the same conference circuits. Someone with more experience should probably address this :)

strig 6y ago

Agreed. Most people I know were at least curious/interested about the project, but also had serious reservations about Google's privacy and data collection and wanted stricter oversight on how their personal data would be used.

sandworm101 6y ago
>>stricter oversight on how their personal data would be used. Beyond that, how many would have opted for "don't collect let alone use anything about me". I have never met anyone who actually wants their physical movement to be tracked by advertisers, not for infinite starbucks discounts. Most hesitate at the idea of employers or even family members tracking them 24/7.
- strig 6y ago
  > Most hesitate at allowing their employers to track them after hours Is that a real thing?
  - sandworm101 6y ago
    Do you have a work-issued cellphone? I do. I also carry my own phone but my job requires that I have the work phone on me 24/7 when out of the office.
    - sebastien_bois 6y ago
      On-call? Do you get on-call pay? If not, have you asked for 3x normal salary, since they apparently think they own you 24/7?

mokarma 6y ago

> well reasoned arguments from Privacy experts weren't addressed very well How does one become a Privacy expert? What qualifications are needed?

boarnoah 6y ago
Basing this off a few very interesting people I've interacted with in the Information Security field wrt Healthcare) as coop student then some contract work. Usually they tended to be either Law or Infosec folks who ended up in roles where they did consulting or setting up policies for companies. Then with experience becoming SMEs with regards to Privacy and either operating as independent consultants or working with governments/companies as Privacy officers/commissioners etc... As far as I know most of them didn't have much in common as far as certs or specific educational background it was mostly a mix of similar work experiences as well as being in the same conference circuits. Someone with more experience should probably address this :)