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Amazon Music attempted to forbid podcasters from disparaging Amazon

72 points by jsheard 6y ago

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contingencies 6y ago
I wouldn't be surprised if they hastily retract this after PR goes AWOL. With antitrust in the works and a world of retailer hate, they shouldn't be playing Orwell cards.
- jsheard 6y ago
  They have in fact walked this back, Pitchfork updated their article right after I posted it. Title changed to reflect the update.
  - contingencies 6y ago
    Called it!
  - dcreno 6y ago
    Now podcasters must "comply with Amazon’s Creative Acceptance Policies.” Bet those policies slowly drift back towards control of content. edit: sure enough, look here and you'll see that nothing "misleading" or "controversial" can be said: https://advertising.amazon.com/resources/ad-policy/creative-acceptance#prohibitedcontent https://advertising.amazon.com/resources/ad-policy/creative-...
- scarface74 6y ago
  HN users once again don’t understand what “antitrust” is. Amazon Music has almost no percentage of the streaming music market. Amazon has less than nothing of the podcast market. There are dozens of podcast players where you can just put the feed url in your player and subscribe directly to any podcast - including Apple Podcast.
  - Marsymars 6y ago
    When people use "antitrust" inaccurately in the way you're describing, I find it best to assume that they're actually arguing against "biased incentives", and just aren't being precise with their definitions, not that their points aren't valid.
    - scarface74 6y ago
      “Words Mean Things”. This is a site where the overwhelming number of participants are engineers. We are suppose to value accuracy. Getting banned from Amazon’s podcast platform means nothing.
ngcazz 6y ago
Amazon’s quick reaction to the negative outpouring suggests they weren’t expecting it to stick but decided to float it anyway. Had they been successful, this would clearly exemplify how freedom is taken away from people - while they’re asleep. Truly disgusting.
c3534l 6y ago
Corporations may become as great a threat to personal freedom and liberty than the government. Perhaps we need a consumer Bill of Rights that guarantees their basic freedoms, acknowledging the power akin to a "company town" that large companies can wield in our private and political lives.
- moate 6y ago
  >>Corporations may become as great a threat to personal freedom and liberty than the government. Quick rhetorical question: Who do you think is funding that government? The corporations (and the class of people at the top of them) have always been the greatest threat to freedom, at least in America where there was never a king.
  - aspenmayer 6y ago
    Cash is king. Remember that phrase?
- jandrese 6y ago
  Concentration of power is a threat to personal freedom. Power tries to hold on to power, it is inevitable. At least with government you can theoretically vote the bastards out.
- Bombthecat 6y ago
  Corporations already replaced states. Just my opinion...
- m-p-3 6y ago
  The First Amendment doesn't mean much when all the online "public places" that reaches a majority of citizens are all controlled by corporations who don't have to follow it.
- cwhiz 6y ago
  We are essentially living under a Corporatocracy in America.
QuinnyPig 6y ago
Now I want a list of podcasts that opted in before they walked it back, just so I know whose version of "journalistic integrity" is a complete sham.
scarface74 6y ago
Amazon Music is the latest streaming service to become a podcast catcher. Apple and Google both stream podcasts, while Spotify’s podcasting arm has exclusive deals with figures like Joe Rogan and Kim Kardashian West. Unlike the other platforms mentioned, Apple doesn’t “stream podcasts”. Apple indexes submitted RSS feeds. When you subscribe to a podcast, the player polls your server directly to update the RSS feed. When you play a podcast, it is streamed directly from your server. You can add any RSS feed directly into the player and play it. Apple isn’t involved. The difference is extremely important. The other services force you to go through their platform. In fact, Apple has provided a freely accessible API to its podcast directory that anyone can use without asking Apple’s permission.
- abc-xyz 6y ago
  > In fact, Apple has provided a freely accessible API to its podcast directory that anyone can use without asking Apple’s permission. Have you tried using it? I haven’t myself but your comment made me google it quickly, and as far as I can tell, then it’s extremely limited (e.g. you can’t fetch a list of all podcasts, or newly updated podcasts, etc).
  - scarface74 6y ago
    I can only go by using Overcast which uses it and listening to Marco Arment’s podcasts - the author of Overcast. He frequently complains about Apple’s APIs and posts about technical details about they could be improved, but he has never complained about the podcast API. What it doesn’t do I assume is give you a list of podcast episodes. That would make sense since Apple’s own player actually polls individual RSS feeds as does Overcast.
  - crocodiletears 6y ago
    Antennapod uses it as the default provider for its podcast search functionality.
chrisco255 6y ago
Your daily reminder that we should be embracing decentralized protocols for media, communication, and commerce.
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tracker1 6y ago
I really don't like news organizations updating article content to this extent. Changing the title and dramatically editing content after publishing. I'd much rather see a link to a followup article than editing after publish. Some "news" sites do some really unscrupulous things this way.
- crocodiletears 6y ago
  This is unrelated to the article at hand, but I've seen sites go so far as to replace entire articles[0]. I'm fairly certain this level of opaque editing is standard practice for journalists anymore, and tend to prefer archive links when I'm sharing content with friends. [0] Original article: Boris's new cabinet meet for the first time New article: Boris Johnson: Premiership will be the start of a golden age http://archive.is/LobY4 http://archive.is/LobY4 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49107417 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49107417

72 points by jsheard 6y ago

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I wouldn't be surprised if they hastily retract this after PR goes AWOL. With antitrust in the works and a world of retailer hate, they shouldn't be playing Orwell cards.

jsheard 6y ago
They have in fact walked this back, Pitchfork updated their article right after I posted it. Title changed to reflect the update.
- contingencies 6y ago
  Called it!
- dcreno 6y ago
  Now podcasters must "comply with Amazon’s Creative Acceptance Policies.” Bet those policies slowly drift back towards control of content. edit: sure enough, look here and you'll see that nothing "misleading" or "controversial" can be said: https://advertising.amazon.com/resources/ad-policy/creative-acceptance#prohibitedcontent https://advertising.amazon.com/resources/ad-policy/creative-...
scarface74 6y ago
HN users once again don’t understand what “antitrust” is. Amazon Music has almost no percentage of the streaming music market. Amazon has less than nothing of the podcast market. There are dozens of podcast players where you can just put the feed url in your player and subscribe directly to any podcast - including Apple Podcast.
- Marsymars 6y ago
  When people use "antitrust" inaccurately in the way you're describing, I find it best to assume that they're actually arguing against "biased incentives", and just aren't being precise with their definitions, not that their points aren't valid.
  - scarface74 6y ago
    “Words Mean Things”. This is a site where the overwhelming number of participants are engineers. We are suppose to value accuracy. Getting banned from Amazon’s podcast platform means nothing.

ngcazz 6y ago

Amazon’s quick reaction to the negative outpouring suggests they weren’t expecting it to stick but decided to float it anyway. Had they been successful, this would clearly exemplify how freedom is taken away from people - while they’re asleep. Truly disgusting.

c3534l 6y ago

Corporations may become as great a threat to personal freedom and liberty than the government. Perhaps we need a consumer Bill of Rights that guarantees their basic freedoms, acknowledging the power akin to a "company town" that large companies can wield in our private and political lives.

moate 6y ago
>>Corporations may become as great a threat to personal freedom and liberty than the government. Quick rhetorical question: Who do you think is funding that government? The corporations (and the class of people at the top of them) have always been the greatest threat to freedom, at least in America where there was never a king.
- aspenmayer 6y ago
  Cash is king. Remember that phrase?
jandrese 6y ago
Concentration of power is a threat to personal freedom. Power tries to hold on to power, it is inevitable. At least with government you can theoretically vote the bastards out.
Bombthecat 6y ago
Corporations already replaced states. Just my opinion...
m-p-3 6y ago
The First Amendment doesn't mean much when all the online "public places" that reaches a majority of citizens are all controlled by corporations who don't have to follow it.
cwhiz 6y ago
We are essentially living under a Corporatocracy in America.

QuinnyPig 6y ago

Now I want a list of podcasts that opted in before they walked it back, just so I know whose version of "journalistic integrity" is a complete sham.

scarface74 6y ago

Amazon Music is the latest streaming service to become a podcast catcher. Apple and Google both stream podcasts, while Spotify’s podcasting arm has exclusive deals with figures like Joe Rogan and Kim Kardashian West. Unlike the other platforms mentioned, Apple doesn’t “stream podcasts”. Apple indexes submitted RSS feeds. When you subscribe to a podcast, the player polls your server directly to update the RSS feed. When you play a podcast, it is streamed directly from your server. You can add any RSS feed directly into the player and play it. Apple isn’t involved. The difference is extremely important. The other services force you to go through their platform. In fact, Apple has provided a freely accessible API to its podcast directory that anyone can use without asking Apple’s permission.

abc-xyz 6y ago
> In fact, Apple has provided a freely accessible API to its podcast directory that anyone can use without asking Apple’s permission. Have you tried using it? I haven’t myself but your comment made me google it quickly, and as far as I can tell, then it’s extremely limited (e.g. you can’t fetch a list of all podcasts, or newly updated podcasts, etc).
- scarface74 6y ago
  I can only go by using Overcast which uses it and listening to Marco Arment’s podcasts - the author of Overcast. He frequently complains about Apple’s APIs and posts about technical details about they could be improved, but he has never complained about the podcast API. What it doesn’t do I assume is give you a list of podcast episodes. That would make sense since Apple’s own player actually polls individual RSS feeds as does Overcast.
- crocodiletears 6y ago
  Antennapod uses it as the default provider for its podcast search functionality.

chrisco255 6y ago

Your daily reminder that we should be embracing decentralized protocols for media, communication, and commerce.

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tracker1 6y ago

I really don't like news organizations updating article content to this extent. Changing the title and dramatically editing content after publishing. I'd much rather see a link to a followup article than editing after publish. Some "news" sites do some really unscrupulous things this way.

crocodiletears 6y ago
This is unrelated to the article at hand, but I've seen sites go so far as to replace entire articles[0]. I'm fairly certain this level of opaque editing is standard practice for journalists anymore, and tend to prefer archive links when I'm sharing content with friends. [0] Original article: Boris's new cabinet meet for the first time New article: Boris Johnson: Premiership will be the start of a golden age http://archive.is/LobY4 http://archive.is/LobY4 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49107417 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49107417