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There was a time when you paid by credit card using a mechanical copy of the credit card and data was manually entered at the end of the day. It sadly doesn't

There was a time when you paid by credit card using a mechanical copy of the credit card and data was manually entered at the end of the day. It sadly doesn't work well with new style credit cards that don't have raised numbers, but for that you could just take a picture. It's not ideal, but it can work. The internet has made a lot of things happen smoother or faster, and some things happen in "real time" that previously could not, but as a whole... life without it wasn't horrible. Kids used to write notes to each other instead of text messages. Cashiers used to look at a schedule that was manually created and posted on the break room door on sundays. If you weren't working that day, you'd ask a friend to check for you.

inetknght 6y ago
> It's not ideal, but it can work. It "can" work, yes. But we don't ride horses any more; automobiles are here to stay. Suggesting that transportation isn't necessary for employment disenfranchises millions of people from reaching employment. I believe there's laws (or, at least, certainly ethics) that employers must compensate employees when they use their personal transportation for their employer's purposes. And, good employers offer public or private transportation to their own employees -- in the form of a "company car" or paid public transportation. Likewise, the internet is here to stay. Suggesting that the internet isn't necessary for employment disenfranchises millions of people from reaching employment. Many lucky ones do have their own personal devices and services they can use. But I am of the opinion that this is unethical and should be more closely related to the "company car" or paid public transportation or compensating employees when they use their personal devices. Kids do still write notes to each other. Thinking that a text message isn't a valid form of writing notes is ignoring the advancing methods of communication and burying your head in the sand. Kids' notes now include animated pictures, "memes", with whole websites dedicated to finding and creating them. Are you suggesting that these aren't valid forms of communication? Bosses change schedules often. I've seen schedules be posted on Sunday, changed on Monday, and changed again Tuesday afternoon. And even if that weren't the case, your coworkers aren't friends: in a cutthroat environment your coworker will lie to you, state that you're not scheduled when you are, and your boss will fire you for not showing up. That happens when jobs are scarce. Fortunately, the internet helps to solve that problem by allowing employees to look at the schedule online. Times change. Having access to the internet wasn't required forty years ago. It is required today.
- SAI_Peregrinus 6y ago
  It's also impossible to apply for most jobs offline.
- blobbers 6y ago
  Please don't misunderstand me; I didn't say anything was invalid, just that all these things existed before the internet, and could exist without it in a less streamlined way. It's actual somewhat of an interesting topic when you think of it. Transport went from walking -> riding animals -> driving + flying. Communication went from talking -> moving physical messages -> radio -> telephone -> internet I wish hackernews forums fostered better discussions on topics that are out of date the way reddit might. Unlikely anyone will ever see this reply. Are there any good books that cover this sort of techno (r)evolution in depth?
reaperducer 6y ago
I remember those days. I wish the world was more like them. But the reality is, it isn't.

inetknght 6y ago

> It's not ideal, but it can work. It "can" work, yes. But we don't ride horses any more; automobiles are here to stay. Suggesting that transportation isn't necessary for employment disenfranchises millions of people from reaching employment. I believe there's laws (or, at least, certainly ethics) that employers must compensate employees when they use their personal transportation for their employer's purposes. And, good employers offer public or private transportation to their own employees -- in the form of a "company car" or paid public transportation. Likewise, the internet is here to stay. Suggesting that the internet isn't necessary for employment disenfranchises millions of people from reaching employment. Many lucky ones do have their own personal devices and services they can use. But I am of the opinion that this is unethical and should be more closely related to the "company car" or paid public transportation or compensating employees when they use their personal devices. Kids do still write notes to each other. Thinking that a text message isn't a valid form of writing notes is ignoring the advancing methods of communication and burying your head in the sand. Kids' notes now include animated pictures, "memes", with whole websites dedicated to finding and creating them. Are you suggesting that these aren't valid forms of communication? Bosses change schedules often. I've seen schedules be posted on Sunday, changed on Monday, and changed again Tuesday afternoon. And even if that weren't the case, your coworkers aren't friends: in a cutthroat environment your coworker will lie to you, state that you're not scheduled when you are, and your boss will fire you for not showing up. That happens when jobs are scarce. Fortunately, the internet helps to solve that problem by allowing employees to look at the schedule online. Times change. Having access to the internet wasn't required forty years ago. It is required today.

SAI_Peregrinus 6y ago
It's also impossible to apply for most jobs offline.
blobbers 6y ago
Please don't misunderstand me; I didn't say anything was invalid, just that all these things existed before the internet, and could exist without it in a less streamlined way. It's actual somewhat of an interesting topic when you think of it. Transport went from walking -> riding animals -> driving + flying. Communication went from talking -> moving physical messages -> radio -> telephone -> internet I wish hackernews forums fostered better discussions on topics that are out of date the way reddit might. Unlikely anyone will ever see this reply. Are there any good books that cover this sort of techno (r)evolution in depth?

reaperducer 6y ago

I remember those days. I wish the world was more like them. But the reality is, it isn't.