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I actually think this is a false comparison. With TimescaleDB you get higher inserts, 1000x faster queries (depending on your query, of course), 95% storage sav

I actually think this is a false comparison. With TimescaleDB you get higher inserts, 1000x faster queries (depending on your query, of course), 95% storage savings from native compression, etc., than with vanilla Postgres. You also get really useful features like continuous aggregates, data retention policies, interpolation, etc. So the comparison isn't really 1-to-1. Depending on your workload, you could easily get better performance out of 1 vCPU on Timescale Cloud than 4 vCPU on any vanilla Postgres service (not to mention the 95% cost savings on storage). (I work at Timescale.)

GordonS 6y ago
You're preaching to the converted on TimescaleDB's features - I love it. I think it makes no sense to compare your managed offering to vanilla Postgres though - surely the comparison is vs TimescaleDB hosted in other ways. In theory I can use TimescaleDB on cloud managed DBs already (if providers didn't offer such old versions of TimescaleDB). Given your offering deploys to cloud VMs, perhaps the best comparison is vs deploying Postgres with TimescaleDB yourself on cloud VMs. And at a glance, it looks like your Basic tier is 300-400% more than the cloud VM - so what's the value-add? You get PITR, but beyond that?
- akulkarni 6y ago
  Ha! Glad to hear :-) Other cloud providers can only offer the Apache-2 version of TimescaleDB. So you wouldn't get native compression, continuous aggregates, downsampling, etc. So again, the value add in Timescale Cloud are those features (all of which took a long time to build!). Also: we fully manage the database, are responsible for keeping it online, are available for support via email and Slack, etc. The only real alternative to Timescale Cloud is to run it yourself, where you get the features but not the services/support. But you are welcome to do that if you'd like :-).
  - GordonS 6y ago
    > Other cloud providers can only offer the Apache-2 version of TimescaleDB. So you wouldn't get native compression, continuous aggregates, downsampling, etc. Ah yes - I was forgetting that! > So again, the value add in Timescale Cloud are those features Hmm, not really; those are the value-add from TimescaleDB itself, not Timescale Cloud. I guess I'm going to remain unconvinced for now, but I really hope that, with time, the Timescale Cloud team works on adding more value vs self-hosting, as personally I don't think it brings enough value to justify the pricing as-is.
    - akulkarni 6y ago
      No problem at all, if you prefer self-hosting then we encourage that. (And as you can see, we are continuing to invest in our self-hosted community [0]) [0] https://blog.timescale.com/blog/multi-node-petabyte-scale-time-series-database-postgresql-free-tsdb/ https://blog.timescale.com/blog/multi-node-petabyte-scale-ti... Btw - always happy to chat directly if you'd like. Feel free to reach out! ajay (at) timescale.com
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GordonS 6y ago

You're preaching to the converted on TimescaleDB's features - I love it. I think it makes no sense to compare your managed offering to vanilla Postgres though - surely the comparison is vs TimescaleDB hosted in other ways. In theory I can use TimescaleDB on cloud managed DBs already (if providers didn't offer such old versions of TimescaleDB). Given your offering deploys to cloud VMs, perhaps the best comparison is vs deploying Postgres with TimescaleDB yourself on cloud VMs. And at a glance, it looks like your Basic tier is 300-400% more than the cloud VM - so what's the value-add? You get PITR, but beyond that?

akulkarni 6y ago
Ha! Glad to hear :-) Other cloud providers can only offer the Apache-2 version of TimescaleDB. So you wouldn't get native compression, continuous aggregates, downsampling, etc. So again, the value add in Timescale Cloud are those features (all of which took a long time to build!). Also: we fully manage the database, are responsible for keeping it online, are available for support via email and Slack, etc. The only real alternative to Timescale Cloud is to run it yourself, where you get the features but not the services/support. But you are welcome to do that if you'd like :-).
- GordonS 6y ago
  > Other cloud providers can only offer the Apache-2 version of TimescaleDB. So you wouldn't get native compression, continuous aggregates, downsampling, etc. Ah yes - I was forgetting that! > So again, the value add in Timescale Cloud are those features Hmm, not really; those are the value-add from TimescaleDB itself, not Timescale Cloud. I guess I'm going to remain unconvinced for now, but I really hope that, with time, the Timescale Cloud team works on adding more value vs self-hosting, as personally I don't think it brings enough value to justify the pricing as-is.
  - akulkarni 6y ago
    No problem at all, if you prefer self-hosting then we encourage that. (And as you can see, we are continuing to invest in our self-hosted community [0]) [0] https://blog.timescale.com/blog/multi-node-petabyte-scale-time-series-database-postgresql-free-tsdb/ https://blog.timescale.com/blog/multi-node-petabyte-scale-ti... Btw - always happy to chat directly if you'd like. Feel free to reach out! ajay (at) timescale.com
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