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I thought this was the proof of concept? No one lives there now, no one would be forced to move there.
by wendyshu 6y ago
I thought this was the proof of concept? No one lives there now, no one would be forced to move there.
- 52-6F-62 6y agoBut people do have to travel through there. Commissioners Ave is the only real east-west fare through the entire region. I used to have to bus through that region every single day (I don't miss the 72 Cherry one bit). Managing privacy permissions of anyone just commuting through would be a logistical nightmare—and not just for Sidewalk.
- wendyshu 6y agoSidewalk would collect more personal, identifiable data on pass-through commuters than governments and companies already do? Maybe, and if so it's a valid point. But I'd bet (money) not. No facial recognition would be used. Doubt they'd track you in a bus. They were well aware of privacy concerns and their data collection would be under intense scrutiny. Data wouldn't be used outside Sidewalk without consent, de-identified by default, etc. (And many of the technologies they were developing had nothing to do with data collection.) Sounds like an instance of what this comment describes: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24123463 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24123463
- 52-6F-62 6y agoYour first sentence is exactly what I was speaking to. As for the rest, I'm not much of a gambler. Alphabet's current policies on data collection are typically opt-out, so I didn't hold out much hope when I largely saw a lot of hand-waving surrounding data policies until the project was pressed by the public about it. That cost me a lot of confidence the project. And I come from the place of following the project eagerly at the start. Even looked for jobs with them at one point.
- wendyshu 6y agoHow would they track you on a bus?
- 52-6F-62 6y agoI'm not sure if this is a serious question or a dig given the previous tones, but there are any number of ways being that the majority of Torontonians carry mobile devices. SWL was designed to be a data dragnet for the purposes of influencing urban civic design so outside of regulatory pressure one would assume they would gather every bit of data they can, including fingerprint and tracking unique devices and their movement patterns in their region.
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- wendyshu 6y agoOh ok (see above comment).
- wendyshu 6y agoIf they wanted to do mass device fingerprinting (minimally, de-identified by default, not shared, etc.) they could do that already without a smart city so that's completely orthogonal.