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> A smart phone is still an internet connection at home. I don't use my personal phone for work. Anyone who does use their personal phone for work is being abu

> A smart phone is still an internet connection at home. I don't use my personal phone for work. Anyone who does use their personal phone for work is being abused by their employer.

Splognosticus 6y ago
This is an overly broad statement. Everywhere I've worked where I'm expected to be reachable by phone offered a stipend to pay for the service. And all of them were respectful of my personal time. An abusive employer is going to make unreasonable demands of you, regardless of whether you use your personal phone for work.
- inetknght 6y ago
  > Everywhere I've worked where I'm expected to be reachable by phone offered a stipend to pay for the service. Well your experience is more the exception than the rule today given my friends, family, and own anecdata. > An abusive employer is going to make unreasonable demands of you, regardless of whether you use your personal phone for work. Let me know when there's enough employers that most people without negotiating leverage can actually be employed by one that's not abusive.
notriddle 6y ago
The argument you've parroted is against using your personal phone number for work. That's abusive, because it allows the employer to send you work when you're off the clock. Using your smartphone to log into your payroll site, or as the internet bridge to the company VPN, is not any different from using a broadband line and a laptop to do the same thing. Those systems shouldn't be able to interrupt you when you're not working, but they might still be accessed through a smartphone in lieu of a desktop or laptop.
- inetknght 6y ago
  > you've parroted Parroting implies blind repeating. I honestly believe my statement though. It's not parroting. > That's abusive, because it allows the employer to send you work when you're off the clock. No, it's abusive when doing work functions requires the use of my personal phone. Accessing an employer's VPN should not be done using devices or services that are wholly owned and paid for by me. Allowing my employer to notify me, while I'm off the clock, of any work that's available or scheduling changes or emergencies definitely falls under personal devices can be used. But when the employer requires you to use your personal devices and personal internet service to actually do any function of that work then that's where you and I clearly disagree. > Using your smartphone to log into your payroll site Payroll sites necessarily must be accessible from outside of the work VPN: payroll sites' reporting ability must be accessible after my employment has been terminated. > or as the internet bridge to the company VPN Using someone's personal internet service or phone service is unethical. Employers should pay for the internet bridge to the company VPN and all devices and services necessary to connect to it. > is not any different from using a broadband line and a laptop to do the same thing Nope, it isn't. Who owns it though? > Those systems shouldn't be able to interrupt you when you're not working Indeed. > but they might still be accessed through a smartphone in lieu of a desktop or laptop. Sure, but who owns it?
- mulmen 6y ago
  I use my personal phone number as my pager when I am oncall. That doesn't feel abusive.

> A smart phone is still an internet connection at home. I don't use my personal phone for work. Anyone who does use their personal phone for work is being abused by their employer.

Splognosticus 6y ago

This is an overly broad statement. Everywhere I've worked where I'm expected to be reachable by phone offered a stipend to pay for the service. And all of them were respectful of my personal time. An abusive employer is going to make unreasonable demands of you, regardless of whether you use your personal phone for work.

inetknght 6y ago
> Everywhere I've worked where I'm expected to be reachable by phone offered a stipend to pay for the service. Well your experience is more the exception than the rule today given my friends, family, and own anecdata. > An abusive employer is going to make unreasonable demands of you, regardless of whether you use your personal phone for work. Let me know when there's enough employers that most people without negotiating leverage can actually be employed by one that's not abusive.

notriddle 6y ago

The argument you've parroted is against using your personal phone number for work. That's abusive, because it allows the employer to send you work when you're off the clock. Using your smartphone to log into your payroll site, or as the internet bridge to the company VPN, is not any different from using a broadband line and a laptop to do the same thing. Those systems shouldn't be able to interrupt you when you're not working, but they might still be accessed through a smartphone in lieu of a desktop or laptop.

inetknght 6y ago
> you've parroted Parroting implies blind repeating. I honestly believe my statement though. It's not parroting. > That's abusive, because it allows the employer to send you work when you're off the clock. No, it's abusive when doing work functions requires the use of my personal phone. Accessing an employer's VPN should not be done using devices or services that are wholly owned and paid for by me. Allowing my employer to notify me, while I'm off the clock, of any work that's available or scheduling changes or emergencies definitely falls under personal devices can be used. But when the employer requires you to use your personal devices and personal internet service to actually do any function of that work then that's where you and I clearly disagree. > Using your smartphone to log into your payroll site Payroll sites necessarily must be accessible from outside of the work VPN: payroll sites' reporting ability must be accessible after my employment has been terminated. > or as the internet bridge to the company VPN Using someone's personal internet service or phone service is unethical. Employers should pay for the internet bridge to the company VPN and all devices and services necessary to connect to it. > is not any different from using a broadband line and a laptop to do the same thing Nope, it isn't. Who owns it though? > Those systems shouldn't be able to interrupt you when you're not working Indeed. > but they might still be accessed through a smartphone in lieu of a desktop or laptop. Sure, but who owns it?
mulmen 6y ago
I use my personal phone number as my pager when I am oncall. That doesn't feel abusive.