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Thanks a lot :). The false friends are interesting, I though "hulaty" was the same word as Polish "hulać" which means to have fun/to party. The other quirky w

by ajuc 6y ago

Thanks a lot :). The false friends are interesting, I though "hulaty" was the same word as Polish "hulać" which means to have fun/to party. The other quirky word is "boroniu", which I thought was the same word as Polish "bronić" which means "to defend", but in this context (ja tobie nie bronię) it would mean (I don't forbid you). It comes from the noun "broń" (a weapon). The agricultural stuff would be "bronować" in comparison from the plural noun "brony" (harrows). I wonder if the Ukrainian is maybe closer to Polish in this case? Cause it would make more sense that way. Even "ukonce" have Polish equivalent "okonie". That's why I suspected Kaczmarski invented it - the song was completely understandable to me without any knowledge of Russian or Ukrainian except for knowing how the sounds change usually.

082349872349872 6y ago
As [3] indicated, have fun/to party is a perfectly cromulent reading. (and from many of the folk songs I've bothered translating, "walking around" tends to produce grass-stained clothing, so I guess we need an etymological reference here.) (I don't forbid you) makes much more sense. That was what I was reaching for in the post-seeding covering over as protection in [2]. Going pl->ua in wikipedia, I still do get https://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Broń https://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Broń to https://uk.wikipedia.org/wiki/Зброя https://uk.wikipedia.org/wiki/Зброя , but logic almost demands that's the reading. I'd figure that google and yandex translate (and their image searches) are not tuned to folk song usages, so your guesses are probably way more accurate than mine. I wonder if these verses are of highly-conserved vocabulary (then again, being in verse would tend to conserve vocabulary on its own), so they'd be a slavic equivalent of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schleicher%27s_fable https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schleicher%27s_fable ? Compare https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23667506 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23667506
- ajuc 6y ago
  > Зброя False friends again, "zbroja" is armor in Polish :)

by ajuc 6y ago

082349872349872 6y ago

As [3] indicated, have fun/to party is a perfectly cromulent reading. (and from many of the folk songs I've bothered translating, "walking around" tends to produce grass-stained clothing, so I guess we need an etymological reference here.) (I don't forbid you) makes much more sense. That was what I was reaching for in the post-seeding covering over as protection in [2]. Going pl->ua in wikipedia, I still do get https://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Broń https://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Broń to https://uk.wikipedia.org/wiki/Зброя https://uk.wikipedia.org/wiki/Зброя , but logic almost demands that's the reading. I'd figure that google and yandex translate (and their image searches) are not tuned to folk song usages, so your guesses are probably way more accurate than mine. I wonder if these verses are of highly-conserved vocabulary (then again, being in verse would tend to conserve vocabulary on its own), so they'd be a slavic equivalent of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schleicher%27s_fable https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schleicher%27s_fable ? Compare https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23667506 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23667506

ajuc 6y ago
> Зброя False friends again, "zbroja" is armor in Polish :)