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I'm surprised Scuttlebutt [1][2] hasn't gotten a mention. It allows you to create your own social media feed with messages, responses and media completely offl

I'm surprised Scuttlebutt [1][2] hasn't gotten a mention. It allows you to create your own social media feed with messages, responses and media completely offline. You then gossip that feed to anyone you want, for example via the local (WiFi) network or even by USB stick. Long range communication is done by car or by train. There are servers (pubs) that can be used for more real-time communication. Or to make the information available on the internet after it has been sneaked out of Belarus. The main pubs have a dedicated, friendly and active community. [3] [1] https://scuttlebutt.nz https://scuttlebutt.nz [2] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Xjphvcd8Sw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Xjphvcd8Sw [3] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PbzGpKffQuM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PbzGpKffQuM

eitland 6y ago
One really dangerous thing about it is that once you send something it just won't disappear. What happens on the Internet stays on the Internet and all that, but no reason to write everything in stone - especially in times and places where governments thinks it is a good idea to cut Internet.
- nix23 6y ago
  >One really dangerous thing about it is that once you send something it just won't disappear. That thing is called Internet..Information never goes away, not even in the real world.
  - viraptor 6y ago
    It's not that black and white. Some communicators for example delete messages after a specified time and don't archive by default. It's not perfect, and it's not supposed to be. But it still raises the bar a bit - if your peer is not compromised, you can at least hope the history goes away. Same could be done with "permanent" message by rotating shared encryption keys and discarding old ones for example, so you can build something with better privacy on top.
    - nix23 6y ago
      >It's not that black and white. Some communicators for example delete messages after a specified time and don't archive by default. It's not perfect, and it's not supposed to be If something is not secure you can forget it by default, there is NO information system than can securely delete and protect it's delivered end user information, no DRM no Snapchat nothing, the consumed and delivered message can always be seen.
      - viraptor 6y ago
        First, that's why I wrote "hope" and mentioned it's not perfect. But "the consumed and delivered message can always be seen" is just incorrect. IF both sides destroy either the message or the encryption keys for it, then no, it can't be seen. (Just the metadata about it being sent)
        nix23 6y ago
        > is just incorrect. Your thinking is too narrow, i just make a screenshot of your message, or filming your Video from the Screen, that's what i mean by 'consumed', but yes if both party's delete the message normal encryption is enough even 'just' with forward secrecy, but the metadata is often much more interesting (even the NSA said that).
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      - fao_ 6y ago
        Scrub the information and rotate encryption keys with enforced deletion. Sure, this would not get around a dedicated attacker, or screenshotting, but that's the same as printed information, or information transfer over radio. Someone can always listen in if they have enough resources and time. Even closed networks can be infiltrated with enough persistence.
    - qubex 6y ago
      Isn’t deleting expired encryption keys how Snapchats are ‘disappeared’?

eitland 6y ago

One really dangerous thing about it is that once you send something it just won't disappear. What happens on the Internet stays on the Internet and all that, but no reason to write everything in stone - especially in times and places where governments thinks it is a good idea to cut Internet.

nix23 6y ago
>One really dangerous thing about it is that once you send something it just won't disappear. That thing is called Internet..Information never goes away, not even in the real world.
- viraptor 6y ago
  It's not that black and white. Some communicators for example delete messages after a specified time and don't archive by default. It's not perfect, and it's not supposed to be. But it still raises the bar a bit - if your peer is not compromised, you can at least hope the history goes away. Same could be done with "permanent" message by rotating shared encryption keys and discarding old ones for example, so you can build something with better privacy on top.
  - nix23 6y ago
    >It's not that black and white. Some communicators for example delete messages after a specified time and don't archive by default. It's not perfect, and it's not supposed to be If something is not secure you can forget it by default, there is NO information system than can securely delete and protect it's delivered end user information, no DRM no Snapchat nothing, the consumed and delivered message can always be seen.
    - viraptor 6y ago
      First, that's why I wrote "hope" and mentioned it's not perfect. But "the consumed and delivered message can always be seen" is just incorrect. IF both sides destroy either the message or the encryption keys for it, then no, it can't be seen. (Just the metadata about it being sent)
      - nix23 6y ago
        > is just incorrect. Your thinking is too narrow, i just make a screenshot of your message, or filming your Video from the Screen, that's what i mean by 'consumed', but yes if both party's delete the message normal encryption is enough even 'just' with forward secrecy, but the metadata is often much more interesting (even the NSA said that).
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    - fao_ 6y ago
      Scrub the information and rotate encryption keys with enforced deletion. Sure, this would not get around a dedicated attacker, or screenshotting, but that's the same as printed information, or information transfer over radio. Someone can always listen in if they have enough resources and time. Even closed networks can be infiltrated with enough persistence.
  - qubex 6y ago
    Isn’t deleting expired encryption keys how Snapchats are ‘disappeared’?