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Law also says that erratic criminals can be restrained by kneeling on them, one of the reasons which hastened George Floyd's death. I don't think law is always
by intelleak 6y ago
Law also says that erratic criminals can be restrained by kneeling on them, one of the reasons which hastened George Floyd's death. I don't think law is always right.
- zarathustreal 6y agoEmotional appeals shouldn’t* hold any weight when considering the law. You’ll end up creating highly biased or illogical laws that cater to the culture of the times and need to be changed again shortly. Kneeling may cause the death of some but save the lives of countless others. “The law isn’t always right” isn’t an objective statement because “right” is relative to the observer.
- kaens 6y ago> You’ll end up creating highly biased or illogical laws that cater to the culture of the times yes this has often happened > and need to be changed again the thing is, they often don't get changed.
- dri_ft 6y agoThis seems like a fully general case against making or changing any law ever.
- zarathustreal 6y agoThe last sentence without the context of the preceding sentences would seem that way, yes. However in the context of “laws created as a response to emotional appeals” it becomes a warning to remember that everyone has feelings and everyone’s feelings are different when creating or considering the law.
- ugexe 6y agoThat isn’t an apt comparison — Kneeling on someone’s neck is never going to save countless lives.
- zarathustreal 6y agoWe can agree to disagree here, but I will share my opinion that in the case of an “erratic criminal” kneeling on the neck very well could save countless lives. For example, kneeling on the neck of an active shooter
- Tostino 6y agoWhy wouldn't the police respond appropriately to an active shooter situation and instead rely on this supposedly amazingly effective "neck kneeling" technique?
- zarathustreal 6y agoI’m sure police are trained in many different ways in the many different places that they exist, but my statement doesn’t specify police it specifies the act of kneeling on a neck of an erratic criminal
- Tostino 6y agoI really cannot understand where you are coming from with this mindset and the arguments you've made in this thread, and I am glad your mindset is not more common. I'll leave it at that.
- zarathustreal 6y agoI’m coming from a place of seeking to understand objective truth. My arguments are pretty straightforward and literal, there really isn’t much to understand beyond what’s written
- Tostino 6y agoI didn't mean understanding what you have written, I can do that well enough. I meant understanding the mindset of someone with those thoughts. I cannot put myself in your shoes is all I am saying, I do not understand the worldview that would allow me to get to a point where I could think those thoughts and feel I was an objectively "good" person.
- TheSpiceIsLife 6y agoThe entirety of law is an appeal to emotion. Law endeavours, or let me say: should endeavour... To be fair. And fairness is entirely a human emotional pursuit.