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I love Firefox, and it's been my main browser for 15+ years, but starting today I'm going to research alternatives. It's hardly the first time that Mozilla has

by 3131s 6y ago

I love Firefox, and it's been my main browser for 15+ years, but starting today I'm going to research alternatives. It's hardly the first time that Mozilla has screwed up royally, but in general I have tried to defend them against most criticisms in light of the circumstances around browser competition (or lack thereof). But I'm not sure I can do that anymore though, because this is such a bad sign. This CEO and her administrator underlings are useless and expendable in comparison to the people who have actually make Firefox, and I hope they know that.

mulmen 6y ago
I don’t understand how changing browsers accomplishes anything? It’s clear the leadership doesn’t care about Firefox. You’re just making their case for them that Firefox isn’t worth the effort.
- adrianN 6y ago
  Does Mozilla make anything that people use, other than Firefox?
  - rsa25519 6y ago
    println!("Perhaps Rust?");
  - jansan 6y ago
    I use their HTML documentation quite a lot while developing for Chrome.
  - gerrard23 6y ago
    Thunderbird, and as mentioned below, their HTML documentation is really good.
    - adrianN 6y ago
      Oh right, that's actually my email client! But didn't Mozilla try to kill it a few years ago? Ah yes https://www.zdnet.com/article/mozilla-scraps-thunderbird-development-email-client-not-a-priority-anymore/ https://www.zdnet.com/article/mozilla-scraps-thunderbird-dev... > Mitchell Baker, the Mozilla Foundation's chair, said on Friday that Thunderbird 's users seemed happy with the program being the way it is. A pattern seems to emerge.
- 3131s 6y ago
  I do plan to stick with Firefox in the meantime until the project itself degrades. But it's time to see what else is out there so that I begin supporting another browser with a viable future, in the case the Firefox might not be around anymore or might not meet the criteria I have for a browser.
- blub 6y ago
  It prepares one for the almost inevitable moment when they will start compromising on their standards in order to get more revenue. Spoiler: the only other privacy game in town is Safari. Brave has been caught doing some controversial things and Chrome is the thing everyone was running away from in the first place. Edge was found to have one of the worst possible telemetry from all browsers.
mikkom 6y ago
I have also been switching on and off from firefox especially on mobile as the mobile firefox hasn't worked perfectly - however by using the add-ons the experience was quite good. Few days ago the mobile firefox upgraded itself to new version that doesn't support most of the add-ons anymore except few of the big ones - "The recommended plugins" so most of the things why I wanted to use firefox is gone. Now I hear that they have fired both the security response team (really bad on the mobile if the security is not there) and the next generation rendering engine team (really bad if the speed is not there). Time to go back to Brave and not look back. The management should be fired, they have majorly fcked up the browser I would really want to use.
Razengan 6y ago
Firefox on macOS has some bizarre longstanding annoyances that make you wonder if they actually use their own product. • No Dark Mode support • File Save dialogs not remembering the last folder • Download prompts constantly asking for what you want to do with the file • Infuriating Preferences UI (count the number of clicks it takes to delete specific cookies, and no way to add new file types to make them always get saved or opened)
- sanxiyn 6y ago
  Yes, but for obvious reasons Windows is absolute #1 priority for Firefox. Do you honestly think that's the wrong priority?
Accacin 6y ago
For me this is a reason to buckle down on our Firefox support. The leadership will change, but Firefox will outlive them, even if it was no longer supported by Mozilla.
searchableguy 6y ago
> starting today I'm going to research alternatives. Bromite: https://www.bromite.org https://www.bromite.org Ungoogled Chromium: https://github.com/Eloston/ungoogled-chromium https://github.com/Eloston/ungoogled-chromium
- toastal 6y ago
  I'm sad that Android 10+ isn't supported for the WebView of Bromite. I used it for quite a while.
sebazzz 6y ago
I understand your point. However I don't think there are any effects right now that warrants changing browsers just yet. There is still a security team and Firefox is actively tested. When over time Firefox can't keep up with its only competition and performance suffers noticeably, then I might consider changing. Until then, the Firefox container tabs feature is invaluable for software development, software testing and privacy.

by 3131s 6y ago

mulmen 6y ago

I don’t understand how changing browsers accomplishes anything? It’s clear the leadership doesn’t care about Firefox. You’re just making their case for them that Firefox isn’t worth the effort.

adrianN 6y ago
Does Mozilla make anything that people use, other than Firefox?
- rsa25519 6y ago
  println!("Perhaps Rust?");
- jansan 6y ago
  I use their HTML documentation quite a lot while developing for Chrome.
- gerrard23 6y ago
  Thunderbird, and as mentioned below, their HTML documentation is really good.
  - adrianN 6y ago
    Oh right, that's actually my email client! But didn't Mozilla try to kill it a few years ago? Ah yes https://www.zdnet.com/article/mozilla-scraps-thunderbird-development-email-client-not-a-priority-anymore/ https://www.zdnet.com/article/mozilla-scraps-thunderbird-dev... > Mitchell Baker, the Mozilla Foundation's chair, said on Friday that Thunderbird 's users seemed happy with the program being the way it is. A pattern seems to emerge.
3131s 6y ago
I do plan to stick with Firefox in the meantime until the project itself degrades. But it's time to see what else is out there so that I begin supporting another browser with a viable future, in the case the Firefox might not be around anymore or might not meet the criteria I have for a browser.
blub 6y ago
It prepares one for the almost inevitable moment when they will start compromising on their standards in order to get more revenue. Spoiler: the only other privacy game in town is Safari. Brave has been caught doing some controversial things and Chrome is the thing everyone was running away from in the first place. Edge was found to have one of the worst possible telemetry from all browsers.

mikkom 6y ago

I have also been switching on and off from firefox especially on mobile as the mobile firefox hasn't worked perfectly - however by using the add-ons the experience was quite good. Few days ago the mobile firefox upgraded itself to new version that doesn't support most of the add-ons anymore except few of the big ones - "The recommended plugins" so most of the things why I wanted to use firefox is gone. Now I hear that they have fired both the security response team (really bad on the mobile if the security is not there) and the next generation rendering engine team (really bad if the speed is not there). Time to go back to Brave and not look back. The management should be fired, they have majorly fcked up the browser I would really want to use.

Razengan 6y ago

Firefox on macOS has some bizarre longstanding annoyances that make you wonder if they actually use their own product. • No Dark Mode support • File Save dialogs not remembering the last folder • Download prompts constantly asking for what you want to do with the file • Infuriating Preferences UI (count the number of clicks it takes to delete specific cookies, and no way to add new file types to make them always get saved or opened)

sanxiyn 6y ago
Yes, but for obvious reasons Windows is absolute #1 priority for Firefox. Do you honestly think that's the wrong priority?

Accacin 6y ago

For me this is a reason to buckle down on our Firefox support. The leadership will change, but Firefox will outlive them, even if it was no longer supported by Mozilla.

searchableguy 6y ago

> starting today I'm going to research alternatives. Bromite: https://www.bromite.org https://www.bromite.org Ungoogled Chromium: https://github.com/Eloston/ungoogled-chromium https://github.com/Eloston/ungoogled-chromium

toastal 6y ago
I'm sad that Android 10+ isn't supported for the WebView of Bromite. I used it for quite a while.

sebazzz 6y ago

I understand your point. However I don't think there are any effects right now that warrants changing browsers just yet. There is still a security team and Firefox is actively tested. When over time Firefox can't keep up with its only competition and performance suffers noticeably, then I might consider changing. Until then, the Firefox container tabs feature is invaluable for software development, software testing and privacy.