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Technicality. Eich was a victim of cancel culture and he was effectively fired. Anything else is revisionist bs.

by meddlepal 6y ago

d3nj4l 6y ago
Eich literally donated to ban gay marriage. That's a deserving case of cancel culture, if there is any.
- war1025 6y ago
  He didn't donate to "ban gay marriage." He donated to leave the existing law in place that defined marriage as between a man and a woman. Hell, even Obama ran on keeping that the law. > That's a deserving case of cancel culture, if there is any. Be careful what you wish for. The mob is all fun and games until they show up at your door.
  - dralley 6y ago
    >He donated to leave the existing law in place that defined marriage as between a man and a woman. This is wrong in every way that actually matters. The California State Supreme Court struck down the law which banned gay marriage, and gay couples were allowed go be married. Many many gay couples were married during this period. Eich donated to Proposition 8, a ballot initiative which provided an amendment to the California State Constitution to define marriage as between a man and a woman within the state consitution, in effect overruling the judgement of the California Supreme Court. It was not an effort to "leave the law in place", it was an effort to remove from gay couples a right which they had already been granted by the court system, and to freeze this into the constitution itself. So imagine being a gay Mozilla employee and knowing that your boss not only wants to prevent you from gaining civil rights, but wants to remove civil rights which you were already granted. > Hell, even Obama ran on keeping that the law. DOMA is completely unrelated. This is about the California Constitution, not any state or federal law.
- grugagag 6y ago
  Cancel culture is honestly not a very good weapon, silencing people doesn’t produce any dialogue but makes people afraid of saying anything, creates a sensation of paranoia and fear. And lots of innocent folks fell into that trap and had their lives destroyed for no good reason. Canceling has been overused and what could once be used as an ace in the sleeve it became a nail bomb. I don’t think we could get anywhere fruitful by allowing these, it may in fact take us backwards a few steps. Dialogue and debate is the only way
- meddlepal 6y ago
  I am not into this whole lets destroy people because of their speech thing that seems to permeate the entire modern political dialogue. FYI: I'm queer.
  - nativeit-net 6y ago
    I agree with you that the internet version of torches and pitchforks is probably more counterproductive than righteous, but I think in Eich's case the backlash and ultimate result were probably fair. In his own words, he could not be an effective leader under the circumstances. That was exactly right. In 2014, LGBTQ rights were still very much an active fight, and placing someone who was publicly fighting against those civil rights into a position to be the public face of the organization and the leader to everyone working for and with it was untenable. Public protests in that very specific scenario were warranted, and their success should be held as an example of when and how the influence of public opinion was wielded appropriately and effectively.
  - slavak 6y ago
    Brendan Eich was in no way destroyed, and it certainly wasn't over speech. The anger against Eich was because of _actions_, specific and concrete, the entire purpose of which was to deny people like you basic civil rights.
  - DonHopkins 6y ago
    >FYI: I'm queer. So are Aaron Schock and Lindsey Graham, but that doesn't mean they're not also self loathing bigots. https://signorile.substack.com/p/lindsey-grahams-queer-predicament https://signorile.substack.com/p/lindsey-grahams-queer-predi... https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/05/us/politics/aaron-schock-gay.html https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/05/us/politics/aaron-schock-...
- FeepingCreature 6y ago
  "deserving, if there is any" Ah yes, clearly no more imaginable deserving case in all the world than legally protected political donations COUGH METOO COUGH No. That is not deserving, even if there was any.
- jojobas 6y ago
  Because how dares he have a political opinion different than yours, right?
  - bkor 6y ago
    It wasn't the opinion, it was the actions that were taken. As CEO you're in the spotlight. A CEO also (together with the board) sets direction. That's quite different from any other position within the company. Meaning, for most positions I do not understand why people are getting fired. For a CEO to act in a way that is highly frowned upon, plus goes against what the company is trying to convey, that's just plain weird. IMO keeping such a person on would be strange.
    - jojobas 6y ago
      Mozilla's directions have nothing to do with donations to keep the law as it is.
DonHopkins 6y ago
The FAQ literally asks if he was fired and answers no. Saying he was effectively fired is actually revisionist bullshit, that directly contradicts the FAQ. Do you have proof the FAQ lied? Has Eich himself ever claimed he was effectively fired or pushed out, or are you just making that story up, and calling the actual facts "revisionist bullshit"? That's called "psychological projection". He was a victim of his own homophobia.
- stale2002 6y ago
  > The FAQ literally asks if he was fired and answers no. The faq is lying. If a company is going to pressure someone out of a position in this kind of a situation, they are obviously going to lie about it. In the same way that companies will lie and say things like "he quit to spend more time with his family", this FAQ is also a lie. > Has Eich himself ever claimed Obviously Eich was paid money to not try and take down the company with him. That's how these situations work. Of course he isn't going to go scortched earth. He doesn't benefit from that.
  - DonHopkins 6y ago
    Aaaaand where's you evidence? Or are you just lying and spreading unsupported conspiracy theories for your own ideological reasons? How did he benefit from going scorched earth by trying to destroy other people's marriages?
    - stale2002 6y ago
      > Aaaaand where's you evidence? The evidence is that he was pushed out of the CEO position, and received a monetary settlement lol. A person would have to be extremely stupid to think that if someone got pushed out of a CEO position, that it is somehow impossible that the company/ceo would be incentivized to not talk about. There is quite obviously a financial incentive here. I am not sure how someone could deny the existence of this financial incentive. This is standard stuff. It is completely reasonable that either of them would not want the bad publicity from that, and that there are financial incentives to not admit that he was pushed out of the CEO position. Executives get pushed out of positions, without companies or the executives admitting to it, or lying and saying that they left voluntarily.

Technicality. Eich was a victim of cancel culture and he was effectively fired. Anything else is revisionist bs.

d3nj4l 6y ago

Eich literally donated to ban gay marriage. That's a deserving case of cancel culture, if there is any.

war1025 6y ago
He didn't donate to "ban gay marriage." He donated to leave the existing law in place that defined marriage as between a man and a woman. Hell, even Obama ran on keeping that the law. > That's a deserving case of cancel culture, if there is any. Be careful what you wish for. The mob is all fun and games until they show up at your door.
- dralley 6y ago
  >He donated to leave the existing law in place that defined marriage as between a man and a woman. This is wrong in every way that actually matters. The California State Supreme Court struck down the law which banned gay marriage, and gay couples were allowed go be married. Many many gay couples were married during this period. Eich donated to Proposition 8, a ballot initiative which provided an amendment to the California State Constitution to define marriage as between a man and a woman within the state consitution, in effect overruling the judgement of the California Supreme Court. It was not an effort to "leave the law in place", it was an effort to remove from gay couples a right which they had already been granted by the court system, and to freeze this into the constitution itself. So imagine being a gay Mozilla employee and knowing that your boss not only wants to prevent you from gaining civil rights, but wants to remove civil rights which you were already granted. > Hell, even Obama ran on keeping that the law. DOMA is completely unrelated. This is about the California Constitution, not any state or federal law.
grugagag 6y ago
Cancel culture is honestly not a very good weapon, silencing people doesn’t produce any dialogue but makes people afraid of saying anything, creates a sensation of paranoia and fear. And lots of innocent folks fell into that trap and had their lives destroyed for no good reason. Canceling has been overused and what could once be used as an ace in the sleeve it became a nail bomb. I don’t think we could get anywhere fruitful by allowing these, it may in fact take us backwards a few steps. Dialogue and debate is the only way
meddlepal 6y ago
I am not into this whole lets destroy people because of their speech thing that seems to permeate the entire modern political dialogue. FYI: I'm queer.
- nativeit-net 6y ago
  I agree with you that the internet version of torches and pitchforks is probably more counterproductive than righteous, but I think in Eich's case the backlash and ultimate result were probably fair. In his own words, he could not be an effective leader under the circumstances. That was exactly right. In 2014, LGBTQ rights were still very much an active fight, and placing someone who was publicly fighting against those civil rights into a position to be the public face of the organization and the leader to everyone working for and with it was untenable. Public protests in that very specific scenario were warranted, and their success should be held as an example of when and how the influence of public opinion was wielded appropriately and effectively.
- slavak 6y ago
  Brendan Eich was in no way destroyed, and it certainly wasn't over speech. The anger against Eich was because of _actions_, specific and concrete, the entire purpose of which was to deny people like you basic civil rights.
- DonHopkins 6y ago
  >FYI: I'm queer. So are Aaron Schock and Lindsey Graham, but that doesn't mean they're not also self loathing bigots. https://signorile.substack.com/p/lindsey-grahams-queer-predicament https://signorile.substack.com/p/lindsey-grahams-queer-predi... https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/05/us/politics/aaron-schock-gay.html https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/05/us/politics/aaron-schock-...
FeepingCreature 6y ago
"deserving, if there is any" Ah yes, clearly no more imaginable deserving case in all the world than legally protected political donations COUGH METOO COUGH No. That is not deserving, even if there was any.
jojobas 6y ago
Because how dares he have a political opinion different than yours, right?
- bkor 6y ago
  It wasn't the opinion, it was the actions that were taken. As CEO you're in the spotlight. A CEO also (together with the board) sets direction. That's quite different from any other position within the company. Meaning, for most positions I do not understand why people are getting fired. For a CEO to act in a way that is highly frowned upon, plus goes against what the company is trying to convey, that's just plain weird. IMO keeping such a person on would be strange.
  - jojobas 6y ago
    Mozilla's directions have nothing to do with donations to keep the law as it is.

DonHopkins 6y ago

The FAQ literally asks if he was fired and answers no. Saying he was effectively fired is actually revisionist bullshit, that directly contradicts the FAQ. Do you have proof the FAQ lied? Has Eich himself ever claimed he was effectively fired or pushed out, or are you just making that story up, and calling the actual facts "revisionist bullshit"? That's called "psychological projection". He was a victim of his own homophobia.

stale2002 6y ago
> The FAQ literally asks if he was fired and answers no. The faq is lying. If a company is going to pressure someone out of a position in this kind of a situation, they are obviously going to lie about it. In the same way that companies will lie and say things like "he quit to spend more time with his family", this FAQ is also a lie. > Has Eich himself ever claimed Obviously Eich was paid money to not try and take down the company with him. That's how these situations work. Of course he isn't going to go scortched earth. He doesn't benefit from that.
- DonHopkins 6y ago
  Aaaaand where's you evidence? Or are you just lying and spreading unsupported conspiracy theories for your own ideological reasons? How did he benefit from going scorched earth by trying to destroy other people's marriages?
  - stale2002 6y ago
    > Aaaaand where's you evidence? The evidence is that he was pushed out of the CEO position, and received a monetary settlement lol. A person would have to be extremely stupid to think that if someone got pushed out of a CEO position, that it is somehow impossible that the company/ceo would be incentivized to not talk about. There is quite obviously a financial incentive here. I am not sure how someone could deny the existence of this financial incentive. This is standard stuff. It is completely reasonable that either of them would not want the bad publicity from that, and that there are financial incentives to not admit that he was pushed out of the CEO position. Executives get pushed out of positions, without companies or the executives admitting to it, or lying and saying that they left voluntarily.