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If you fail to see it personally I take it you haven't had many of these rights denied. To be fair I haven't either, but Marriage is not "just" an empty acknowl

If you fail to see it personally I take it you haven't had many of these rights denied. To be fair I haven't either, but Marriage is not "just" an empty acknowledgment: its the right of inheriting when your spouse dies its the right to be covered by your spouse's insurance its the right to share joint custody of children its the right of spousal privilege in court its that you can file taxes jointly its the rights to benefits as a spouse of a veteran and dozens more of trivial and important legal rights most couples take for granted. These are trivially denied in many social interactions and used to make others feel like second class citizens, and deny them their pursuit of happiness. This was all debated and settled by the Supreme Court in 2015. If the government would stop meddling in all the other legal affairs then I would see the reason for your confusion why they are meddling in marriage.

dependenttypes 6y ago
Whether or not I personally fail to see why marriage specifically should be a human right is not relevant to whether if I had any of these "rights" denied. > its the right of inheriting when your spouse dies You can designate your own heir. > its the right to be covered by your spouse's insurance > its the right to share joint custody of children > its the right of spousal privilege in court > its that you can file taxes jointly > its the rights to benefits as a spouse of a veteran > and dozens more of trivial and important legal rights most couples take for granted And I am arguing that these are not things that should come with marriage - people who decide to not get married and people who are not legally allowed to get married (such as people in polyamorous relationships) should have the ability to enjoy the same rights as married people. Regardless though, not all of these are part of the universal definition of marriage (nor are a necessary part of it), the UDHR says that marriage as an abstract concept is a human right (and only for certain people at certain times as the law allows) - it does not designate any specific privilege between married people as a human right. > If the government would stop meddling in all the other legal affairs ... There is a difference between the government attempting to catch someone who violated the rights of someone else and the government recognizing (or not) the love between people.
- pseudalopex 6y ago
  Proposition 8 didn't restructure marriage and the rights associated with it. It just took away rights from same sex couples.
  - dependenttypes 6y ago
    I am not talking about proposition 8. I am talking about calling marriage a human right.
cyberdrunk 6y ago
I dunno about the US, but in Poland the spouse inherits (takes over) the social security pension of the deceased husband/wife, which is a biggie.

dependenttypes 6y ago

Whether or not I personally fail to see why marriage specifically should be a human right is not relevant to whether if I had any of these "rights" denied. > its the right of inheriting when your spouse dies You can designate your own heir. > its the right to be covered by your spouse's insurance > its the right to share joint custody of children > its the right of spousal privilege in court > its that you can file taxes jointly > its the rights to benefits as a spouse of a veteran > and dozens more of trivial and important legal rights most couples take for granted And I am arguing that these are not things that should come with marriage - people who decide to not get married and people who are not legally allowed to get married (such as people in polyamorous relationships) should have the ability to enjoy the same rights as married people. Regardless though, not all of these are part of the universal definition of marriage (nor are a necessary part of it), the UDHR says that marriage as an abstract concept is a human right (and only for certain people at certain times as the law allows) - it does not designate any specific privilege between married people as a human right. > If the government would stop meddling in all the other legal affairs ... There is a difference between the government attempting to catch someone who violated the rights of someone else and the government recognizing (or not) the love between people.

pseudalopex 6y ago
Proposition 8 didn't restructure marriage and the rights associated with it. It just took away rights from same sex couples.
- dependenttypes 6y ago
  I am not talking about proposition 8. I am talking about calling marriage a human right.

cyberdrunk 6y ago

I dunno about the US, but in Poland the spouse inherits (takes over) the social security pension of the deceased husband/wife, which is a biggie.