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> My understanding is that AMP doesn't actually affect ranking They tell they use AMP versions to measure performance, and the performance affects ranking. AMP

> My understanding is that AMP doesn't actually affect ranking They tell they use AMP versions to measure performance, and the performance affects ranking. AMP is hosted by the same google who does ranking, they gonna measure better performance because it’s their local network. Not sure it was an oversight, looks more like cheating. Apparently, they’re planning to revert in 2021, but I think it’s too little too late. I think they only doing it due to public and political pressure. Unless regulated, they’ll continue to implement features which maximize their profit at the expense of everyone else on the internets, both users and web site owners. > As a user, I want my search results to be tailored to me I certainly don’t, BTW that’s one of the reasons why I’m using duckduckgo instead. Why would you want personalized results? Doesn’t it effectively limit search space to things you already know, or like? That thing probably ain’t a filter technically, and neither it’s censorship legally, but practically speaking reordering stuff to later pages is as good as filtering. > Do you mean ad space, or something else? UX patterns to blur the line between fair and paid results. Try to disable ad.blockers, search for something generic and advertised worldwide like “web hosting”, and compare search result pages between google and DDG. Google’s “Ad” is barely noticeable, DDG’s “Ad” has very noticeable outline. Google doesn’t show URL, DDG does. Also, too much garbage in general. Google shows maps despite completely irrelevant for online-only services like web hosting. The result is more than a page of garbage before the first fair search result, and that’s on my 27” 4k monitor. Will probably be couple pages of garbage for a user with average display and without ad blockers.

joshuamorton 6y ago
Note that you've subtly changed the discussion from "here's why Google should be a public utility" to "here's what personally perturbs me about Google, and why I dislike it". > Google’s “Ad” is barely noticeable, DDG’s “Ad” has very noticeable outline. Google doesn’t show URL, DDG does. This is personal preference (and possibly subject to experiments), but when I searched "android phone", I found it easier to differentiate ads on Google (which shows "Ad" at the beginning of the line) than DDG (which shows "Ad" at the end, or on a second line if the title overflows). Both show URLs.
- Const-me 6y ago
  > here's why Google should be a public utility I don’t think it’s too important. What’s important is enforceable regulations. There’re many industries that aren’t public utilities but are heavily regulated for safety reasons, e.g. food production and air transportation. > This is personal preference (and possibly subject to experiments) http://const.me/tmp/web-search/g1.png http://const.me/tmp/web-search/g1.png Just two “Ad” letters with no other visual cues. http://const.me/tmp/web-search/g2.png http://const.me/tmp/web-search/g2.png The first fair search result, note the scroll bar position on the right, there’re 2 pages of garbage above. No URLs anywhere. Right click / copy link is broken as well, copies “google.com/url?” something. http://const.me/tmp/web-search/ddg.png http://const.me/tmp/web-search/ddg.png “AD” is uppercase, outlined, also note the “Report Ad” text. The combination of these 3 things makes ads clearly marked as such, unlike google’s result page. Note the initial portion of the result URL is visible, not just the domain. Right click / copy link works. The fair search results start at the top of the page, immediately after a paid one. There’s no motivation for google to be friendlier towards users or web site owners. Quite the opposite, they have strong financial incentive to mix ads into fair results. The only way to fix that is legal pressure with laws and/or antimonopoly prosecution. It worked with Microsoft in 1998-2001. In 2000 a court ordered breakup of MS. They won the appeal so it didn’t happen, but they were really scared apparently. They were also forced to change a lot of things in their products, which benefit both end users, and third-party developers. I don’t see how de-facto monopoly in web search is different from de-facto monopoly in PC OSes.
  - joshuamorton 6y ago
    > No URLs anywhere. Right click / copy link is broken as well, copies “google.com/url?” something. What? "www.techradar.com" is a URL. > Right click / copy link is broken as well, copies “google.com/url?” something. No it doesn't, unless you try to copy the link to an advertisement, in which case it uses a link tracker, in the same way that DDG does (try it!). > Just two “Ad” letters with no other visual cues. But, unlike DDG, those are the first things you see, which means I can visually filter away ads if I don't want them, while on DDG I have to read the entire result name before I can see whether or not something is an ad. > Note the initial portion of the result URL is visible, not just the domain. No actually I have no clue what you're talking about. The URLs look the same to me, unless you mean "https://" https://" being visible which doesn't matter unless you're expecting a result accessible via gopher. I'm honestly confused now. Your statements disagree with your own screenshots.

joshuamorton 6y ago

Note that you've subtly changed the discussion from "here's why Google should be a public utility" to "here's what personally perturbs me about Google, and why I dislike it". > Google’s “Ad” is barely noticeable, DDG’s “Ad” has very noticeable outline. Google doesn’t show URL, DDG does. This is personal preference (and possibly subject to experiments), but when I searched "android phone", I found it easier to differentiate ads on Google (which shows "Ad" at the beginning of the line) than DDG (which shows "Ad" at the end, or on a second line if the title overflows). Both show URLs.

Const-me 6y ago
> here's why Google should be a public utility I don’t think it’s too important. What’s important is enforceable regulations. There’re many industries that aren’t public utilities but are heavily regulated for safety reasons, e.g. food production and air transportation. > This is personal preference (and possibly subject to experiments) http://const.me/tmp/web-search/g1.png http://const.me/tmp/web-search/g1.png Just two “Ad” letters with no other visual cues. http://const.me/tmp/web-search/g2.png http://const.me/tmp/web-search/g2.png The first fair search result, note the scroll bar position on the right, there’re 2 pages of garbage above. No URLs anywhere. Right click / copy link is broken as well, copies “google.com/url?” something. http://const.me/tmp/web-search/ddg.png http://const.me/tmp/web-search/ddg.png “AD” is uppercase, outlined, also note the “Report Ad” text. The combination of these 3 things makes ads clearly marked as such, unlike google’s result page. Note the initial portion of the result URL is visible, not just the domain. Right click / copy link works. The fair search results start at the top of the page, immediately after a paid one. There’s no motivation for google to be friendlier towards users or web site owners. Quite the opposite, they have strong financial incentive to mix ads into fair results. The only way to fix that is legal pressure with laws and/or antimonopoly prosecution. It worked with Microsoft in 1998-2001. In 2000 a court ordered breakup of MS. They won the appeal so it didn’t happen, but they were really scared apparently. They were also forced to change a lot of things in their products, which benefit both end users, and third-party developers. I don’t see how de-facto monopoly in web search is different from de-facto monopoly in PC OSes.
- joshuamorton 6y ago
  > No URLs anywhere. Right click / copy link is broken as well, copies “google.com/url?” something. What? "www.techradar.com" is a URL. > Right click / copy link is broken as well, copies “google.com/url?” something. No it doesn't, unless you try to copy the link to an advertisement, in which case it uses a link tracker, in the same way that DDG does (try it!). > Just two “Ad” letters with no other visual cues. But, unlike DDG, those are the first things you see, which means I can visually filter away ads if I don't want them, while on DDG I have to read the entire result name before I can see whether or not something is an ad. > Note the initial portion of the result URL is visible, not just the domain. No actually I have no clue what you're talking about. The URLs look the same to me, unless you mean "https://" https://" being visible which doesn't matter unless you're expecting a result accessible via gopher. I'm honestly confused now. Your statements disagree with your own screenshots.