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If anyone here is running Linux and is now researching a "backup plan" in case Firefox pivots, I would highly recommend Epiphany (now called GNOME Web): https:/

If anyone here is running Linux and is now researching a "backup plan" in case Firefox pivots, I would highly recommend Epiphany (now called GNOME Web): https://wiki.gnome.org/Apps/Web https://wiki.gnome.org/Apps/Web

axaxs 6y ago
Or perhaps Konqueror? Seems apt seeing that KDE wrote what became WebKit.
- LeoPanthera 6y ago
  "Falkon" is the current KDE web browser. It used to be called QupZilla.
TedDoesntTalk 6y ago
> Firefox pivots Pivots to what?
- bickeringyokel 6y ago
  I can only guess they mean if they pivot to be less privacy focused.
  - 0xcde4c3db 6y ago
    Or pivot to maintaining a half-ass Chromium fork instead of a whole-ass browser, since that's apparently the fiscally responsible thing to do.
- noah_buddy 6y ago
  There were massive layoffs today apparently with discussion of finding better ways to make money. Some are taking it as a sign of Firefox potentially deciding to monetize data (and, thus, deincentivize privacy focus internally). That might be what OP is talking about.
LeoPanthera 6y ago
Gnome Web (for Gnome), Falkon (for KDE), and Safari (for macOS) are really underrated browsers. It's true that they all use the WebKit engine, so it doesn't exactly promote a variety of engines, but at least none of them have any "monetization" features built in.
dependenttypes 6y ago
There are also surf https://surf.suckless.org/ https://surf.suckless.org/ and qutebrowser https://qutebrowser.org/ https://qutebrowser.org/, both based on webkit.
- imiric 6y ago
  I use my own fork of surf daily, but am having to fallback to mainstream browsers quite often these days as sites stop working on it or it's unusably slow. Slack no longer works, GitHub breaks occasionally, etc. Is there a well-maintained fork that fixes these issues? The main repo[1] hasn't seen updates in over a year now. I read that development slowed down after the main maintainer left suckless, but I'm hoping the community will pick it up. It's an excellent minimal browser. [1]: https://git.suckless.org/surf/ https://git.suckless.org/surf/
  - The-Compiler 6y ago
    FWIW Slack seems to work fine in surf for me. Are you sure you have an up-to-date WebKitGTK on your system? Those kinds of issues are typically fixed there, and not in surf itself. As long as the WebKit API stays backwards-compatible, there's probably not much need for surf to change (other than for new features). There's zsurf based on QtWebEngine/Chromium too, FWIW: https://github.com/SteveDeFacto/zsurf https://github.com/SteveDeFacto/zsurf
- dependenttypes 6y ago
  There is also badwolf https://hacktivis.me/projects/badwolf https://hacktivis.me/projects/badwolf (again based on webkit)
- The-Compiler 6y ago
  qutebrowser uses QtWebEngine by default, which is based on Chromium. You can use it with QtWebKit instead, but given that's based on a 2016 WebKit with no process isolation or sandboxing, I wouldn't recommend it.
RandomWorker 6y ago
I’m surprised that no one has mentioned Opera yet.
- wwwwwwwww 6y ago
  Opera is now Chinese owned. But the former Opera devs started Vivaldi some years ago. And it's really great.
  - julesallen 6y ago
    My minor gripe with it is that you can't drag and drop URLs or any other text. Other than that it's a joy to use.
    - wwwwwwwww 6y ago
      That's optional. In Settings, search for "Allow Text Selection in Links" and deactivate it. Now you can drag+drop links.
anthk 6y ago
Icecat is better. Epiphany is pretty slow and huge, and it depends on a lot of libraries.
niutech 6y ago
There is also a cross-platform Otter Browser (https://otter-browser.org https://otter-browser.org) based on WebKit.

axaxs 6y ago

Or perhaps Konqueror? Seems apt seeing that KDE wrote what became WebKit.

LeoPanthera 6y ago
"Falkon" is the current KDE web browser. It used to be called QupZilla.

TedDoesntTalk 6y ago

> Firefox pivots Pivots to what?

bickeringyokel 6y ago
I can only guess they mean if they pivot to be less privacy focused.
- 0xcde4c3db 6y ago
  Or pivot to maintaining a half-ass Chromium fork instead of a whole-ass browser, since that's apparently the fiscally responsible thing to do.
noah_buddy 6y ago
There were massive layoffs today apparently with discussion of finding better ways to make money. Some are taking it as a sign of Firefox potentially deciding to monetize data (and, thus, deincentivize privacy focus internally). That might be what OP is talking about.

LeoPanthera 6y ago

Gnome Web (for Gnome), Falkon (for KDE), and Safari (for macOS) are really underrated browsers. It's true that they all use the WebKit engine, so it doesn't exactly promote a variety of engines, but at least none of them have any "monetization" features built in.

dependenttypes 6y ago

There are also surf https://surf.suckless.org/ https://surf.suckless.org/ and qutebrowser https://qutebrowser.org/ https://qutebrowser.org/, both based on webkit.

imiric 6y ago
I use my own fork of surf daily, but am having to fallback to mainstream browsers quite often these days as sites stop working on it or it's unusably slow. Slack no longer works, GitHub breaks occasionally, etc. Is there a well-maintained fork that fixes these issues? The main repo[1] hasn't seen updates in over a year now. I read that development slowed down after the main maintainer left suckless, but I'm hoping the community will pick it up. It's an excellent minimal browser. [1]: https://git.suckless.org/surf/ https://git.suckless.org/surf/
- The-Compiler 6y ago
  FWIW Slack seems to work fine in surf for me. Are you sure you have an up-to-date WebKitGTK on your system? Those kinds of issues are typically fixed there, and not in surf itself. As long as the WebKit API stays backwards-compatible, there's probably not much need for surf to change (other than for new features). There's zsurf based on QtWebEngine/Chromium too, FWIW: https://github.com/SteveDeFacto/zsurf https://github.com/SteveDeFacto/zsurf
dependenttypes 6y ago
There is also badwolf https://hacktivis.me/projects/badwolf https://hacktivis.me/projects/badwolf (again based on webkit)
The-Compiler 6y ago
qutebrowser uses QtWebEngine by default, which is based on Chromium. You can use it with QtWebKit instead, but given that's based on a 2016 WebKit with no process isolation or sandboxing, I wouldn't recommend it.

RandomWorker 6y ago

I’m surprised that no one has mentioned Opera yet.

wwwwwwwww 6y ago
Opera is now Chinese owned. But the former Opera devs started Vivaldi some years ago. And it's really great.
- julesallen 6y ago
  My minor gripe with it is that you can't drag and drop URLs or any other text. Other than that it's a joy to use.
  - wwwwwwwww 6y ago
    That's optional. In Settings, search for "Allow Text Selection in Links" and deactivate it. Now you can drag+drop links.

anthk 6y ago

Icecat is better. Epiphany is pretty slow and huge, and it depends on a lot of libraries.

niutech 6y ago

There is also a cross-platform Otter Browser (https://otter-browser.org https://otter-browser.org) based on WebKit.