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I don't hold Mozilla to higher standards. I just expect Mozilla to make a decent browser. Firefox is not a decent browser anymore compared to its competition. I

I don't hold Mozilla to higher standards. I just expect Mozilla to make a decent browser. Firefox is not a decent browser anymore compared to its competition. Its performance and security is lagging severely behind Chrome, and it doesn't really respect privacy any more than Chrome does in its default configuration. Pretty much the only two advantages it has right now are containers, and the fact that it's not Chrome. The former matters a lot less now that the newest version of Cookie AutoDelete can remove cache and indexedDB per-domain. The one thing that could save it, Servo, doesn't seem to be a priority. Instead, Mozilla seems to be focusing on offering cloud services that nobody wants or cares about, which also don't really respect privacy any more than other cloud services. The only significant revenue stream Mozilla has is through Firefox, which keeps steadily losing users and market share. And even that is almost entirely dependent on people using Google search with the browser. Given that Google is Mozilla's primary competitor who has intentionally broken their apps on Firefox and is pushing them down in search results, and that Firefox is marketing itself to privacy-conscious people who wouldn't use Google anyway, it doesn't seem wise or sustainable at all. Unless things seriously change, I have no faith that they'll be able to turn this situation around. We may just have to live with a Blink/WebKit web monoculture until we get some serious anti-trust legislation.

outworlder 6y ago
> Its performance and security is lagging severely behind Chrome Citation needed. I've been using for a while and it is leaps and bounds better than what it was. I haven't fired up Chrome in months now.
- _underfl0w_ 6y ago
  Can confirm. I made the switch to Chrome in its early days when Firefox couldn't touch its performance, but switched back to Firefox around a year or so ago since Chrome could no longer touch Firefox's performance. It really has come a long way since the days most people seem to be remembering.
acdha 6y ago
> Its performance and security is lagging severely behind Chrome, and it doesn't really respect privacy any more than Chrome does in its default configuration. The first two points haven’t been true for years and the second is debatable - Firefox’s tracking protection certainly seems to be more effective. The problem for Mozilla is that this doesn’t matter enough: Firefox feels faster than Chrome, but both are fine in normal use and your web browsing experience will be most affected by the site you’re using needing a ton of JavaScript rather than the browser. Similarly, their developer tools have a bunch of nice features but the developer experience is pretty decent in every browser so it’s not a distinguishing factor the way it used to be. Browsers have been commodified and that’s the core of Mozilla’s business while Google has a ton of ad revenue to support Chrome no matter what happens.

outworlder 6y ago

> Its performance and security is lagging severely behind Chrome Citation needed. I've been using for a while and it is leaps and bounds better than what it was. I haven't fired up Chrome in months now.

_underfl0w_ 6y ago
Can confirm. I made the switch to Chrome in its early days when Firefox couldn't touch its performance, but switched back to Firefox around a year or so ago since Chrome could no longer touch Firefox's performance. It really has come a long way since the days most people seem to be remembering.

acdha 6y ago

> Its performance and security is lagging severely behind Chrome, and it doesn't really respect privacy any more than Chrome does in its default configuration. The first two points haven’t been true for years and the second is debatable - Firefox’s tracking protection certainly seems to be more effective. The problem for Mozilla is that this doesn’t matter enough: Firefox feels faster than Chrome, but both are fine in normal use and your web browsing experience will be most affected by the site you’re using needing a ton of JavaScript rather than the browser. Similarly, their developer tools have a bunch of nice features but the developer experience is pretty decent in every browser so it’s not a distinguishing factor the way it used to be. Browsers have been commodified and that’s the core of Mozilla’s business while Google has a ton of ad revenue to support Chrome no matter what happens.