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Without Firefox though everything is Chrome. Skype, Zoom, Slack, Discord, Chrome itself, Safari, Edge, Opera, VS Code, Atom... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v

Without Firefox though everything is Chrome. Skype, Zoom, Slack, Discord, Chrome itself, Safari, Edge, Opera, VS Code, Atom... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_SCfNhyIo_U https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_SCfNhyIo_U We need to encourage competition even if companies continue to spew this kind of cringe. Firefox is the last holdout. Good luck Mozilla, you're our old hope.

andor 6y ago
Safari is still Webkit. Zoom is a native application.
- 0xDEEPFAC 6y ago
  Zoom is electon based.
  - andor 6y ago
    How did you get that idea? This is what an Electron app looks like: $ ls Atom.app/Contents/Frameworks Electron Framework.framework other stuff... You might also find a bunch of js files lying around: $ find Atom.app -name *.js Atom.app/Contents/Resources/app/apm/node_modules/chainsaw/index.js Atom.app/Contents/Resources/app/apm/node_modules/fs-constants/index.js Atom.app/Contents/Resources/app/apm/node_modules/fs-constants/browser.js very long list... Whereas these are the frameworks Zoom ships with: $ ls zoom.us.app/Contents/Frameworks/ CptHost.app asproxy.framework nydus.framework zMacRes.bundle Scintilla.framework caphost.app protobuf.framework zMacResRetina.bundle Transcode.app cmmlib.framework ssb_sdk.bundle zSIPCallUI.bundle ZCommonUI.framework curl64.framework tp.framework zSIPSDK.bundle ZMScreenshot.app faac.bundle util.framework zSipCallApp.bundle ZoomPhone.app libcrypto.1.0.0.dylib viper.framework zVideoApp.bundle ZoomUninstaller.app libmpg123_mac.bundle xmpp_framework.framework zVideoUI.bundle airhost.app libssl.1.0.0.dylib zAutoUpdate.bundle zWebService.bundle annoter.bundle libz.dylib zChatApp.bundle zlt.bundle aomagent.bundle mcm.bundle zChatUI.bundle zmLoader.bundle aomhost.app mphost.app zData.bundle zmb.bundle Instead of Javascript files there are tons of Interface Builder files in the bundle: $ find zoom.us.app -name *.nib zoom.us.app/Contents/Resources/en.lproj/MainMenu.nib zoom.us.app/Contents/Frameworks/zChatUI.bundle/Contents/Resources/ZMSettingRecordingViewController.nib zoom.us.app/Contents/Frameworks/zChatUI.bundle/Contents/Resources/ZMChatsSearchField.nib zoom.us.app/Contents/Frameworks/zChatUI.bundle/Contents/Resources/loadingInfoView.nib zoom.us.app/Contents/Frameworks/zChatUI.bundle/Contents/Resources/ZMDiagnosticViewController.nib ... A Linux job opening: https://zoom.wd5.myworkdayjobs.com/en-US/Zoom/job/Phoenix-AZ/Software-Engineer--Desktop-Application--Linux_R658-1 https://zoom.wd5.myworkdayjobs.com/en-US/Zoom/job/Phoenix-AZ... - 5 years of C/C++ programming experience. - 3 years of experience in Linux native application development. - Having experience in QT development is preferred. Mac OS job opening: https://zoom.wd5.myworkdayjobs.com/en-US/Zoom/job/Phoenix-AZ/Software-Engineer---Mac_R525-1 https://zoom.wd5.myworkdayjobs.com/en-US/Zoom/job/Phoenix-AZ... - 2 years of experience in MacOS native client development. - Proficient in C++, Xcode, Objective-C and Cocoa Framework.
filleokus 6y ago
> Safari Safari is Safari (WebKit). On iOS everything is Safari (WebKit). iOS is probably, actually, our last chance for a major second browser engine. (Safari on Mac is of course WebKit as well, and I use it and love it, but I would guess it's a rounding error compared to WebKit on iOS...)

andor 6y ago

Safari is still Webkit. Zoom is a native application.

0xDEEPFAC 6y ago
Zoom is electon based.
- andor 6y ago
  How did you get that idea? This is what an Electron app looks like: $ ls Atom.app/Contents/Frameworks Electron Framework.framework other stuff... You might also find a bunch of js files lying around: $ find Atom.app -name *.js Atom.app/Contents/Resources/app/apm/node_modules/chainsaw/index.js Atom.app/Contents/Resources/app/apm/node_modules/fs-constants/index.js Atom.app/Contents/Resources/app/apm/node_modules/fs-constants/browser.js very long list... Whereas these are the frameworks Zoom ships with: $ ls zoom.us.app/Contents/Frameworks/ CptHost.app asproxy.framework nydus.framework zMacRes.bundle Scintilla.framework caphost.app protobuf.framework zMacResRetina.bundle Transcode.app cmmlib.framework ssb_sdk.bundle zSIPCallUI.bundle ZCommonUI.framework curl64.framework tp.framework zSIPSDK.bundle ZMScreenshot.app faac.bundle util.framework zSipCallApp.bundle ZoomPhone.app libcrypto.1.0.0.dylib viper.framework zVideoApp.bundle ZoomUninstaller.app libmpg123_mac.bundle xmpp_framework.framework zVideoUI.bundle airhost.app libssl.1.0.0.dylib zAutoUpdate.bundle zWebService.bundle annoter.bundle libz.dylib zChatApp.bundle zlt.bundle aomagent.bundle mcm.bundle zChatUI.bundle zmLoader.bundle aomhost.app mphost.app zData.bundle zmb.bundle Instead of Javascript files there are tons of Interface Builder files in the bundle: $ find zoom.us.app -name *.nib zoom.us.app/Contents/Resources/en.lproj/MainMenu.nib zoom.us.app/Contents/Frameworks/zChatUI.bundle/Contents/Resources/ZMSettingRecordingViewController.nib zoom.us.app/Contents/Frameworks/zChatUI.bundle/Contents/Resources/ZMChatsSearchField.nib zoom.us.app/Contents/Frameworks/zChatUI.bundle/Contents/Resources/loadingInfoView.nib zoom.us.app/Contents/Frameworks/zChatUI.bundle/Contents/Resources/ZMDiagnosticViewController.nib ... A Linux job opening: https://zoom.wd5.myworkdayjobs.com/en-US/Zoom/job/Phoenix-AZ/Software-Engineer--Desktop-Application--Linux_R658-1 https://zoom.wd5.myworkdayjobs.com/en-US/Zoom/job/Phoenix-AZ... - 5 years of C/C++ programming experience. - 3 years of experience in Linux native application development. - Having experience in QT development is preferred. Mac OS job opening: https://zoom.wd5.myworkdayjobs.com/en-US/Zoom/job/Phoenix-AZ/Software-Engineer---Mac_R525-1 https://zoom.wd5.myworkdayjobs.com/en-US/Zoom/job/Phoenix-AZ... - 2 years of experience in MacOS native client development. - Proficient in C++, Xcode, Objective-C and Cocoa Framework.

filleokus 6y ago

> Safari Safari is Safari (WebKit). On iOS everything is Safari (WebKit). iOS is probably, actually, our last chance for a major second browser engine. (Safari on Mac is of course WebKit as well, and I use it and love it, but I would guess it's a rounding error compared to WebKit on iOS...)