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"The procedure is secret and they refuse to explain it (even to the court), but you can do it." I think you're overblowing this ... as it is neither secret nor

by rsync 6y ago

"The procedure is secret and they refuse to explain it (even to the court), but you can do it." I think you're overblowing this ... as it is neither secret nor unexplainable. Any ticket agent at any airport knows exactly how to process a frantic ( mom + 2 kids ) who forgot her ID at home and the flight leaves in 75 mins. The ticket agents, the security personnel and the gate personnel all know how to deal with (forgot ID at home).

mynameisvlad 6y ago
So... Please explain it then. Or link to a document from the TSA that explains it. Just because it's known by a lot of people doesn't mean it's not a secret. The ticket agent might not even know the full system, just what they have to do to get that frantic mom and 2 kids off their back.
- rsync 6y ago
  "So... Please explain it then." Enter airport. Walk to departures agent of your airline and explain that you forgot your ID and there is no way that someone can bring it to you, or that you can retrieve it, in time to make the flight. You get extra screening and a specially marked boarding pass and you get on the plane with everyone else. My wife did this as recently as 12 months ago. SFO->MSP. YMMV. IANAL.
  - mynameisvlad 6y ago
    You know very well that that's not what "explain it" means. If you think the process isn't a secret, then find a document detailing the entire process, with specifics, end to end. What happens in the extra screening? Is it the same throughout the country? What might vary in the process (YMMV, after all), etc. You have a purely anecdotal account of what can happen at an airport that isn't even staffed by the TSA (https://www.flysfo.com/about-sfo/safety-security https://www.flysfo.com/about-sfo/safety-security). What everyone else is looking for is a specific, detailed, transparent description of the entire process.
ipsin 6y ago
There definitely is some opacity to the process, though. I've heard anecdotally of people showing up and saying "I chose not to bring ID", and... that can fail. I wouldn't be surprised if those are most of the ones who were actually denied no-ID travel.
dmitrygr 6y ago
TSA literally said it is a secret. They even agreed to show it to a judge only under seal. I literally linked to the case....

by rsync 6y ago

mynameisvlad 6y ago

So... Please explain it then. Or link to a document from the TSA that explains it. Just because it's known by a lot of people doesn't mean it's not a secret. The ticket agent might not even know the full system, just what they have to do to get that frantic mom and 2 kids off their back.

rsync 6y ago
"So... Please explain it then." Enter airport. Walk to departures agent of your airline and explain that you forgot your ID and there is no way that someone can bring it to you, or that you can retrieve it, in time to make the flight. You get extra screening and a specially marked boarding pass and you get on the plane with everyone else. My wife did this as recently as 12 months ago. SFO->MSP. YMMV. IANAL.
- mynameisvlad 6y ago
  You know very well that that's not what "explain it" means. If you think the process isn't a secret, then find a document detailing the entire process, with specifics, end to end. What happens in the extra screening? Is it the same throughout the country? What might vary in the process (YMMV, after all), etc. You have a purely anecdotal account of what can happen at an airport that isn't even staffed by the TSA (https://www.flysfo.com/about-sfo/safety-security https://www.flysfo.com/about-sfo/safety-security). What everyone else is looking for is a specific, detailed, transparent description of the entire process.

ipsin 6y ago

There definitely is some opacity to the process, though. I've heard anecdotally of people showing up and saying "I chose not to bring ID", and... that can fail. I wouldn't be surprised if those are most of the ones who were actually denied no-ID travel.

dmitrygr 6y ago

TSA literally said it is a secret. They even agreed to show it to a judge only under seal. I literally linked to the case....