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This forum would be in uproar if the firm was offering their software devs $30k a year, but offering competitive pay for executives and managers is a sin incapa

This forum would be in uproar if the firm was offering their software devs $30k a year, but offering competitive pay for executives and managers is a sin incapable of restitution for some inconsistent reason.

codemonkey-zeta 6y ago
Exorbitant executive pay is a sin incapable of restitution wherever it occurs, much more today than at any point in the past. The leaders of nonprofits especially should be ashamed to accept such pay. Developer compensation generally is not exorbitant to nearly the same degree, so this comparison feels unfair.
- missedthecue 6y ago
  Explain to me why an executive who might have three or four opportunities choose the lowest paying one while a dev should be entitled to competitive pay?
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  - codemonkey-zeta 6y ago
    They can do whatever they want. One should be ashamed to be overcompensated in the context of a non-profit, because they're leaching from an organization designed to do good. A competitive dev salary is probably nowhere near being overcompensated, but a multi-million dollar exec salary almost certainly is.
    - missedthecue 6y ago
      I have a feeling you hold this view because personally taking a million dollar salary would not reduce your quality of life. This is not true for all people.
      - codemonkey-zeta 6y ago
        And then Jesus spoke untu his disciples, "Hey, sorry guys, but this do-gooder miracle business just isn't cutting it anymore. All the other carpenters are making bank, and my quality of life is reduced."
        missedthecue 6y ago
        What? So all managers are obligated to engage in charity?
craigsmansion 6y ago
> offering competitive pay for executives and managers "competitive" is key here, it means they have to compete. I know people on the work floor like to make jokes about executives golfing and yachting, but there is some truth to it that these executives are building and maintaining their network and that leads to contracts and revenue that keeps the company in business. That's what their worth is. That's the competition they have to be successful in. Mozilla gets about 400M in free Google idiot money. If burning through that for a 2.5M salary but still having to fire 25% of your workforce means you are being competitive at the C-level, then most random people can do that for half the money; a quick 1.25M saved. It's not about a C-level exec getting a large compensation. It's about them failing abjectly and not being worth a fraction of that money by normal management standards.

codemonkey-zeta 6y ago

Exorbitant executive pay is a sin incapable of restitution wherever it occurs, much more today than at any point in the past. The leaders of nonprofits especially should be ashamed to accept such pay. Developer compensation generally is not exorbitant to nearly the same degree, so this comparison feels unfair.

missedthecue 6y ago
Explain to me why an executive who might have three or four opportunities choose the lowest paying one while a dev should be entitled to competitive pay?
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- codemonkey-zeta 6y ago
  They can do whatever they want. One should be ashamed to be overcompensated in the context of a non-profit, because they're leaching from an organization designed to do good. A competitive dev salary is probably nowhere near being overcompensated, but a multi-million dollar exec salary almost certainly is.
  - missedthecue 6y ago
    I have a feeling you hold this view because personally taking a million dollar salary would not reduce your quality of life. This is not true for all people.
    - codemonkey-zeta 6y ago
      And then Jesus spoke untu his disciples, "Hey, sorry guys, but this do-gooder miracle business just isn't cutting it anymore. All the other carpenters are making bank, and my quality of life is reduced."
      - missedthecue 6y ago
        What? So all managers are obligated to engage in charity?

craigsmansion 6y ago

> offering competitive pay for executives and managers "competitive" is key here, it means they have to compete. I know people on the work floor like to make jokes about executives golfing and yachting, but there is some truth to it that these executives are building and maintaining their network and that leads to contracts and revenue that keeps the company in business. That's what their worth is. That's the competition they have to be successful in. Mozilla gets about 400M in free Google idiot money. If burning through that for a 2.5M salary but still having to fire 25% of your workforce means you are being competitive at the C-level, then most random people can do that for half the money; a quick 1.25M saved. It's not about a C-level exec getting a large compensation. It's about them failing abjectly and not being worth a fraction of that money by normal management standards.