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I wonder how many people have quoted this in defense of refusing to wear a mask.

by DangitBobby 6y ago

option 6y ago
wearing the mask is much more about respect/protection for others than for the one who wears it.
- DangitBobby 6y ago
  That's true, though you shouldn't entirely discount the protection it provides to you as well.
freeone3000 6y ago
I'm sure people have also quoted this in defense of not wearing a shirt at a restaurant. Not everything is absolute - the degree matters. Having to wear a mask in public during a pandemic is a much lighter imposition of liberties than a habitual search of possessions and belongings, and arbitrary "random" strip-searches when one boards a flight.
- DangitBobby 6y ago
  My thoughts are this: The statement sounds powerful and appealing. But if you think about what it means, really, it turns out to be an extremist viewpoint with little meaning. People who give up freedom for security don't "deserve" neither. We give up freedom for security all the time, and we are often better off for it. I would argue that without security you cannot have freedom; some security is necessary to achieve a free society. How free are you if you must constantly look over your shoulder to see if someone is coming to take what you have or hurt who you love? So sure, we can talk about the trade offs and whether we should require IDs at the airport. But the quote, I think, is a misrepresentation of the stakes.
- Nasrudith 6y ago
  The crucial difference is "the right to swing your arms ends at my nose" essentially. The actual impact on other people is what makes the limitations acceptable. That is an important distinction compared to random searches because you "might" have done something wrong.
whynotkeithberg 6y ago
I love this response... It is pretty much a perfect encapsulation of the delusions of most libertarians. I agree with a portion of their ideals... But they really have no logic behind it that isn't extremely wishy-washy and what they really are wanting is anarchy as long as it benefits them and they are vying for a society that cannot function with any safety unless you have the means to buy it. Society needs to have controls in order to provide for the weaker people. A huge portion of the tech libertarians literally would have no way of protecting themselves outside of their money. They just want less restrictions on their ability to earn money not the actual freedom they are supposedly arguing for. The founding fathers were not libertarians, capitalism is not the issue it's crony capitalism Tax cuts do not trickle down You didn't become rich on your own & the poor don't deserve to stay that way and a vast majority of them did not do something to deserve to be that way. It's the same as religious people arguing that other religions belong in hellb ecause they were born into that religion so of course they believe it. Libertarians believe in property rights... So therefore they obviously believe in government intervention because who else is going to protect those rights? Libertarians motto is basically just "Semper I fuck the other guy" I gots mine I don't care what happens to you... But they want government and protections to protect them and their belongings. They champion the rights of people who deny other peoples rights and try to shift the blame to the person being persecuted. Yet anytime something happens they don't agree with they yell persecution and demand intervention to fix it.

I wonder how many people have quoted this in defense of refusing to wear a mask.

option 6y ago

wearing the mask is much more about respect/protection for others than for the one who wears it.

DangitBobby 6y ago
That's true, though you shouldn't entirely discount the protection it provides to you as well.

freeone3000 6y ago

I'm sure people have also quoted this in defense of not wearing a shirt at a restaurant. Not everything is absolute - the degree matters. Having to wear a mask in public during a pandemic is a much lighter imposition of liberties than a habitual search of possessions and belongings, and arbitrary "random" strip-searches when one boards a flight.

DangitBobby 6y ago
My thoughts are this: The statement sounds powerful and appealing. But if you think about what it means, really, it turns out to be an extremist viewpoint with little meaning. People who give up freedom for security don't "deserve" neither. We give up freedom for security all the time, and we are often better off for it. I would argue that without security you cannot have freedom; some security is necessary to achieve a free society. How free are you if you must constantly look over your shoulder to see if someone is coming to take what you have or hurt who you love? So sure, we can talk about the trade offs and whether we should require IDs at the airport. But the quote, I think, is a misrepresentation of the stakes.
Nasrudith 6y ago
The crucial difference is "the right to swing your arms ends at my nose" essentially. The actual impact on other people is what makes the limitations acceptable. That is an important distinction compared to random searches because you "might" have done something wrong.

whynotkeithberg 6y ago

I love this response... It is pretty much a perfect encapsulation of the delusions of most libertarians. I agree with a portion of their ideals... But they really have no logic behind it that isn't extremely wishy-washy and what they really are wanting is anarchy as long as it benefits them and they are vying for a society that cannot function with any safety unless you have the means to buy it. Society needs to have controls in order to provide for the weaker people. A huge portion of the tech libertarians literally would have no way of protecting themselves outside of their money. They just want less restrictions on their ability to earn money not the actual freedom they are supposedly arguing for. The founding fathers were not libertarians, capitalism is not the issue it's crony capitalism Tax cuts do not trickle down You didn't become rich on your own & the poor don't deserve to stay that way and a vast majority of them did not do something to deserve to be that way. It's the same as religious people arguing that other religions belong in hellb ecause they were born into that religion so of course they believe it. Libertarians believe in property rights... So therefore they obviously believe in government intervention because who else is going to protect those rights? Libertarians motto is basically just "Semper I fuck the other guy" I gots mine I don't care what happens to you... But they want government and protections to protect them and their belongings. They champion the rights of people who deny other peoples rights and try to shift the blame to the person being persecuted. Yet anytime something happens they don't agree with they yell persecution and demand intervention to fix it.