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This will be a disaster as is usually the case with government outsourcing duties to the less qualified private sector. Surely there must be a "law" named after
by mnm1 6y ago
This will be a disaster as is usually the case with government outsourcing duties to the less qualified private sector. Surely there must be a "law" named after this by now.
Realid itself is a clusterfuck. I tried to get a driver's license with it. Presented all the paperwork. Was told my signed lease was not acceptable proof of residence and that it would be impossible. I'd have to get a regular driver's license or come back at a later time, pay again and more this time for a second license. Fuck that. What a clusterfuck of stupidity. I'll try again when it renews, assuming the pandemic in the US is completely done. Or not. It's just a fact of life that to fly from state to state, one needs to carry a passport now. In a "free" country. How ridiculous.
- A4ET8a8uTh0 6y agoWhat annoys me about realid is the time it takes to make it. It takes weeks ( as opposed to being able to get one the very same day at dmv ). So average user is told tuff noodles, while average person who uses fake, working id has criminals working 24/7 to ensure easy access ( https://www.fox5ny.com/news/shipments-of-nearly-20000-fake-drivers-licenses-seized-at-chicago-airport https://www.fox5ny.com/news/shipments-of-nearly-20000-fake-d... ). And when you point it out people say something along the lines "Well, that's why you need realid!". It gets depressing fast.
- kube-system 6y agoMust be your state. I got my REAL ID on the spot at the DMV.
- tobylane 6y agoDoes that make it zip code lottery for your right to drive or fly?
- lavezza 6y agoIt just means that because this is a federal requirement that needs to be implemented by the states, we're going to see 50 different implementations. Some will work better than others.
- timeinput 6y agoMy state doesn't require real id and I see no reason the get the realid compliant id my state offers. I have a passport, passport card, and global entry which are all federaly issued and "real" ids. Why is it so hard to just travel with a passport or passport card?
- 0xffff2 6y agoBecause only 42% of Americans have a passport and that number is by far a record high.
- blaser-waffle 6y agoYeah not really a surprise. Most of the surveys I've read show something like 10-12% of people have never left their state, and 40% or more of Americans have never left the US. HN is overwhelmingly technical, educated, well-off, and travels a lot -- most of the US (and other places, for that matter) aren't. See also: https://www.forbes.com/sites/lealane/2019/05/02/percentage-of-americans-who-never-traveled-beyond-the-state-where-they-were-born-a-surprise/#ebb844928984 https://www.forbes.com/sites/lealane/2019/05/02/percentage-o...
- kube-system 6y agoNot really. 1. You don't need a REAL ID to drive. 2. State IDs aren't the only way to get a REAL ID. All federally issued IDs are already REAL ID compliant.
- Reelin 6y agoWhich is odd to say the least, because the documentation for a US passport (as of a couple years ago) was less stringent than that required by the REAL ID act.
- Spooky23 6y agoIt’s pretty much the same in terms what the feds want. Some states layer on their own requirements for their own policy reasons. Places like South Dakota do things to enable them to make a few bucks from vehicle registration for out of state people.
- riffic 6y agoArguably your right to drive does not exist (it's a privilege to operate a motor vehicle.) Your right to cross state lines and travel freely (by common carrier flight) is stronger than a purported right to drive.
- ultrarunner 6y agoWhy is it not considered a privilege to occupy space in a flight in state-controlled airspace? At what point does it become a de facto travel ban, e.g. one can of course travel, so long as they are walking, and of course not on private or government-owned land.
- henryfjordan 6y agoYour right to cross state lines and travel freely does not include any right to a particular mode of transportation. You would pretty much have to argue that interstate travel is impracticable without airplanes and that trains/buses/your feet don't suffice.
- monocasa 6y agoThe fact that trains/buses/your feet doesn't suffice has already been covered in Gilmore v. Gonzales, among other similar points in the same area.
- Reelin 6y agoFrom the Wikipedia entry: > there was no constitutional violation because air passengers could still travel without identification if they instead underwent the more stringent "secondary screening" search I wasn't aware that I could decline to show ID at an airport security checkpoint in favor of undergoing a secondary screening. Does this actually work in practice? (Also, I wonder how it squares with automated facial recognition and similar biometric technology?)
- monocasa 6y agoYeah, I've done it. You just get your bags searched a little harder as if you had been "randomly selected for additional screening".
- atonse 6y agoGod... "CBP said most of the fake IDs were for college-age students. Many had the same photo but different names. But one alarming discovery was that the barcode on the fake Michigan licenses actually worked, CBP said. " Yes I've been telling everyone who'll here this. The PDF417 bar code at the back is just plain text without any kind of digital signature. Anyone could generate a new one. There are apps that do it for you. Since there's no digital signature, there's no way of verifying that it is authentic. There's nothing ALARMING about this. The bar code is an open standard and anyone can generate a new one. It would be alarming if they faked the digital signature.
- esrauch 6y agoI think the alarming thing is that it doesn't have a digital signature, meaning that scanning the barcode isn't a useful check if an ID is fake.
- atonse 6y agoYup to us techies it seems obvious that you should have a digital signature. But for whatever reason, this wasn't done.
- ralph84 6y agoYou can't have digital signatures without all of the attendant PKI baggage. And if you're going to implement all of the PKI baggage, might as well go all the way and start issuing people smart cards.
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- atonse 6y agoSure, why not? What’s stopping us?
- judge2020 6y agoIt doesn't need to be full PKI. Just link to some internal website ran by the State that spits out DB info about how "Joe's license, numberd 01010101 is valid". Georgia already does this for temporary license plates (Pardon the TLS 1.1): https://www.gada.com/index.php?module=FileShare&func=download&file_id=1116 https://www.gada.com/index.php?module=FileShare&func=downloa...