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While the administration could say that Apple only has to block wechat from the US app store, it's not what they have done and they have not indicated that they

While the administration could say that Apple only has to block wechat from the US app store, it's not what they have done and they have not indicated that they want to go that way; the currently announced prohibition, as far as I understand, would prohibit Apple to support WeChat anywhere no matter if it allows installing WeChat for a US phone this way or not.

golem14 6y ago
... because the current admin is not exactly in the habit of thinking ahead. I see no reason they intentionally want to hurt the goose laying golden eggs. I’d be happy to learn valid reasons why though.
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- DataWorker 6y ago
  You just described the past few decades of the whole of the DC elites thinking about China. The goose is a Trojan horse as any idiot can see. Sell out the future of democracy to keep apple stock price soaring. Short sighted indeed.
  - scarface74 6y ago
    Did you watch the Senate hearing with the tech CEOs? Half were more concerned about “big tech being mean to conservatives” than they were about doing anything “for Democracy”. And then you had the one representative grilling Zuckerberg about Twitter’s policies.
  - golem14 6y ago
    How is letting Apple running localized chat apps in China selling out our future democracy?
  - Barrin92 6y ago
    >The goose is a Trojan horse the moral of the story was that the Greeks brought the horse to Troy, I'm unsure how forcing Apple to exist the Chinese market helps the US?
- javert 6y ago
  > I see no reason they intentionally want to hurt the goose laying golden eggs. It makes them feel powerful. So there's at least one reason.
  - golem14 6y ago
    Haha. But yes, maybe, even if it's sad to see the US government at the level of a 6 year old. Well there's 45 days to lobby. Apple will be inconvenienced even by Americans with Chinese background and iphones. A large chunk of them switching to rooted Android versions will not be good news to Apple (or Google, for that matter.) And I think they will, seeing how dependent many are on weChat.
- ikerdanzel 6y ago
  I doubt he is not thinking ahead. Just seeing jobs start to come back to US when the previous one claimed no magic wand can do it already indicate the orange man are no ordinary tactician. He ended ISIS just by bombing them to hell while the previous with a Nobel, free helicopterloads of money and 2 terms couldn't. Look at the outcome. If the ends is good, the means may not be that stupid as you might perceived. The guy able to do Art of War even better than the people who read it as part of national educational syllabus since young.
valuearb 6y ago
The administration doesn’t have the constitutional authority to make such a demand.
- scarface74 6y ago
  You mean like the four “executive orders” (really just one) he issued in response to the Congressional stalemate to Covid. Who is going to reign him? The Senate? Federal judges who he appointed?
  - valuearb 6y ago
    He will have to go to court to get them enforced. That will take into next term, at which point Biden will repudiate them.
- mywittyname 6y ago
  The administration has not let constitutional limitations hinder any of their decisions. The problem with Constitutional "authority" is that it relies on good faith, as the government is really just policing itself. If a President asks 'who is going to stop me?', they will quickly find out the answer is 'nobody.'
  - valuearb 6y ago
    He will have to go to court to enforce them. And he will lose.
  - slowmovintarget 6y ago
    Which was the problem many people foresaw when the last administration did it. They set the precedent, or pushed at its boundaries. "If they can do it... so can we..." It's the main problem with any governmental structure. If it exists, sooner or later it's bound to cut in what we consider the wrong direction.
- tomohawk 6y ago
  Congress does, and Congress delegated the power to the President some time ago. International Emergency Economic Powers Act (50 U.S.C. 1701 et seq.) (IEEPA) the National Emergencies Act (50 U.S.C. 1601 et seq.) section 301 of title 3, United States Code
scarface74 6y ago
Cook has already kissed the Golden Ring with the “Apple is building Mac Pros in the USA” [1] photo ops where Cook stood silently by while Trump exaggerated what Apple is doing. Cook can easily get that limited to the US. Besides, Apple is isn’t in the same boat as Google or Facebook where Trump is targeting because Apple is “unfair to conservatives” nor does he have the personal animosity he has toward Amazon because Bezos owns the Washington Post. [1] Apple is only doing final assembly of MacPros designated for the US in the US. They are doing the same thing in other countries so they can say they are manufacturing Mac Pros in their country.

golem14 6y ago

... because the current admin is not exactly in the habit of thinking ahead. I see no reason they intentionally want to hurt the goose laying golden eggs. I’d be happy to learn valid reasons why though.

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DataWorker 6y ago
You just described the past few decades of the whole of the DC elites thinking about China. The goose is a Trojan horse as any idiot can see. Sell out the future of democracy to keep apple stock price soaring. Short sighted indeed.
- scarface74 6y ago
  Did you watch the Senate hearing with the tech CEOs? Half were more concerned about “big tech being mean to conservatives” than they were about doing anything “for Democracy”. And then you had the one representative grilling Zuckerberg about Twitter’s policies.
- golem14 6y ago
  How is letting Apple running localized chat apps in China selling out our future democracy?
- Barrin92 6y ago
  >The goose is a Trojan horse the moral of the story was that the Greeks brought the horse to Troy, I'm unsure how forcing Apple to exist the Chinese market helps the US?
javert 6y ago
> I see no reason they intentionally want to hurt the goose laying golden eggs. It makes them feel powerful. So there's at least one reason.
- golem14 6y ago
  Haha. But yes, maybe, even if it's sad to see the US government at the level of a 6 year old. Well there's 45 days to lobby. Apple will be inconvenienced even by Americans with Chinese background and iphones. A large chunk of them switching to rooted Android versions will not be good news to Apple (or Google, for that matter.) And I think they will, seeing how dependent many are on weChat.
ikerdanzel 6y ago
I doubt he is not thinking ahead. Just seeing jobs start to come back to US when the previous one claimed no magic wand can do it already indicate the orange man are no ordinary tactician. He ended ISIS just by bombing them to hell while the previous with a Nobel, free helicopterloads of money and 2 terms couldn't. Look at the outcome. If the ends is good, the means may not be that stupid as you might perceived. The guy able to do Art of War even better than the people who read it as part of national educational syllabus since young.

valuearb 6y ago

The administration doesn’t have the constitutional authority to make such a demand.

scarface74 6y ago
You mean like the four “executive orders” (really just one) he issued in response to the Congressional stalemate to Covid. Who is going to reign him? The Senate? Federal judges who he appointed?
- valuearb 6y ago
  He will have to go to court to get them enforced. That will take into next term, at which point Biden will repudiate them.
mywittyname 6y ago
The administration has not let constitutional limitations hinder any of their decisions. The problem with Constitutional "authority" is that it relies on good faith, as the government is really just policing itself. If a President asks 'who is going to stop me?', they will quickly find out the answer is 'nobody.'
- valuearb 6y ago
  He will have to go to court to enforce them. And he will lose.
- slowmovintarget 6y ago
  Which was the problem many people foresaw when the last administration did it. They set the precedent, or pushed at its boundaries. "If they can do it... so can we..." It's the main problem with any governmental structure. If it exists, sooner or later it's bound to cut in what we consider the wrong direction.
tomohawk 6y ago
Congress does, and Congress delegated the power to the President some time ago. International Emergency Economic Powers Act (50 U.S.C. 1701 et seq.) (IEEPA) the National Emergencies Act (50 U.S.C. 1601 et seq.) section 301 of title 3, United States Code

scarface74 6y ago

Cook has already kissed the Golden Ring with the “Apple is building Mac Pros in the USA” [1] photo ops where Cook stood silently by while Trump exaggerated what Apple is doing. Cook can easily get that limited to the US. Besides, Apple is isn’t in the same boat as Google or Facebook where Trump is targeting because Apple is “unfair to conservatives” nor does he have the personal animosity he has toward Amazon because Bezos owns the Washington Post. [1] Apple is only doing final assembly of MacPros designated for the US in the US. They are doing the same thing in other countries so they can say they are manufacturing Mac Pros in their country.