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I'm typing this from Jammu. Since 370 abrogation last year, number of terror incidents in J&K is down by 40%. Every story has two sides. While I hope the govt b

I'm typing this from Jammu. Since 370 abrogation last year, number of terror incidents in J&K is down by 40%. Every story has two sides. While I hope the govt brings back full 4G connectivity soon, I am grateful to them for taking the terror situation seriously.

arcticbull 6y ago
Do you have any evidence limited speeds are the reason for a reduction in terrorist incidents? Unless you have some hard evidence that's a weak-sauce claim. Correlation at best.
- 2Gkashmiri 6y ago
  children havent gone to school since 5 august 2019 in kashmir. while the world is enjoying the benefits of zoom and stuff, everyone is stuck with 2G. that means no zoom parties, no conference calls, recorded classes are sent via voice notes on whatsapp groups for each class and children write simple exams on paper and photo a picture. things are THAT DEPLORABLE and the narrative "stopping terrorism" is given as an excuse to prevent 8 million people from internet? what gives?
  - jammucoder 6y ago
    My friend, although I feel the same as you about the 2G connectivity issue, I should remind you that just 3 years before 370 abrogation, schools in Kashmir were shut for 8 Months [1] after the killing of Terrorist by security forces. This is the J&K I have grown up in. "Stopping terrorism" sounds like just another narrative, but not to those who have lived with its consequences. [1] https://www.indiatoday.in/india/story/kashmir-schools-reopen-burhan-wani-encounter-winter-vacations-963272-2017-03-01 https://www.indiatoday.in/india/story/kashmir-schools-reopen...
    - 2Gkashmiri 6y ago
      what is your point? that its okay to actively prevent schoolchildren from studying? how does it matter schools were shut for 8 months 3 years ago. the point is, with the current pandemic, schoolchildren are stuck at home anyways and denying them high speed internet is denying them access to education. plain and simple. you argue because its been done before so everyone is used to it and thats somehow okay? its not
      - actuator 6y ago
        Although a very unfair comparison, and I don't agree with it. But I think his point was three years back people were more than willing to protest for an "armed millitant"[1] and a lot of that was organized through social media. But this doesn't mean it is right, internet is a fundamental right at this point. You can't just deprive people from it with a blanket ban. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burhan_Wani https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burhan_Wani
        2Gkashmiri 6y ago
        your words, "people were more than willing to protest for an "armed millitant" " where do you say terrorism in that sentence? did hongkong stop internet when there were protests? or BLM which were protests organised on social media, telegram, whatsapp, facebook? or do rules apply differently when protests are against injustices in usa and kashmir?
        actuator 6y ago
        As I said, I support restoring internet access but giving the HK example wrt Kashmir is more like a strawman argument. HK situation is nowhere what Kashmir's is. HKers are fighting for democratically elected government. Look at what the guy in question was fighting for, here is a statement from his Wikipedia page. [1] > He oft-elaborated about the idea of India being entirely incompatible with Islam thus mandating a destruction at any cost, and aimed of unfurling the flag of Islam on Delhi’s Red Fort. This is the exact sort of sentiment that have been used by the current Indian government and many others around the world to stoke fear and champion for their ideology. I honestly think you do disservice to your genuine concerns when you defend people like him and this makes it easy for your real concerns to be muddled with such bigotry. Same with the protests. This will not help your cause and I honestly believe whether it is Xinjiang or Kashmir, armed separatism is not the answer and is never going to succeed. Both the countries do really need to find a better way to deal with it though. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burhan_Wani#Biography https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burhan_Wani#Biography
    - arcticbull 6y ago
      What does that have to do with internet speeds? Citation needed.
      - actuator 6y ago
        He doesn't because from the data at least in the open, it does not even prove that situation has improved drastically there. I recall reading recent news about local politicians being killed there.
  - actuator 6y ago
    Yeah, I think the whole situation is such a travesty. I have been following news of that region for a long time now and it is just sad what has happened there over the decades with atrocities committed from both sides. I firmly believe restricting internet access is just not humane at this point. There is too much dependence on internet and I consider it as a basic right. I think this heavy-handedness is going to backfire. To treat an infection, you can't just cut off the whole limnb.
aaomidi 6y ago
Shit like this has no place on HN. Using random statistics to justify taking away the freedom to access internet is NEVER okay.
- bhupy 6y ago
  I don't agree with jammucoder that information restriction is a justifiable way to reduce terrorist attacks, but I think HN is exactly the sort of place that tolerates this exact kind of viewpoint, especially directly underneath a comment that argues the opposite.
  - aaomidi 6y ago
    HN values freedom and as software engineers who depend on the internet I don't think we'd tolerate bullshit comments like this.
    - bhupy 6y ago
      HN's values are limited to the site guidelines. Arguing against freedom of information is tolerated in the context of Tik Tok, and IMO should be tolerated in the context of terrorism in Kashmir. I want to re-iterate that I agree with you that curtailing the freedom of information is bad, but that simply arguing about it and hearing from those that feel otherwise — especially those that claim to be directly impacted — is incredibly valuable for me, sitting in New York City.
      - mywittyname 6y ago
        Obviously, we are diverse group of people with equally diverse opinions on matter. But from what I've seen, there's a healthy amount of comments around in support of TikTok and against the CCP and USG's seemingly coordinated attempts to dismantle them. In fact, it was from HN that I learned of ByteDance's desire to distance themselves from the CCP and that the war on TikTok in both countries is likely in response to their refusal to play ball with the CCP. The American media's barrage of anti-TT reporting never really made sense until that revelation. After all, there are plenty of more significant Chinese tech companies whose apps are more pervasive, yet are rarely mentioned in the news, i.e., Tencent.
majjaa 6y ago
OMG! The Indian r/t_d sub members are also on hackernews. No place is safe.
- actuator 6y ago
  Btw, before resorting to name calling like this. It would help you to know that he might be expressing genuine opinion. He named Jammu, Jammu is also an area of the region in question here. Even I don't agree with his assertions but he is free to have his opinion and as someone who actually lives there is free to express it.
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searchableguy 6y ago
I will need source for that. Which other countries deal with cheating in exams or rumors on whatsapp through internet shut downs?

arcticbull 6y ago

Do you have any evidence limited speeds are the reason for a reduction in terrorist incidents? Unless you have some hard evidence that's a weak-sauce claim. Correlation at best.

2Gkashmiri 6y ago
children havent gone to school since 5 august 2019 in kashmir. while the world is enjoying the benefits of zoom and stuff, everyone is stuck with 2G. that means no zoom parties, no conference calls, recorded classes are sent via voice notes on whatsapp groups for each class and children write simple exams on paper and photo a picture. things are THAT DEPLORABLE and the narrative "stopping terrorism" is given as an excuse to prevent 8 million people from internet? what gives?
- jammucoder 6y ago
  My friend, although I feel the same as you about the 2G connectivity issue, I should remind you that just 3 years before 370 abrogation, schools in Kashmir were shut for 8 Months [1] after the killing of Terrorist by security forces. This is the J&K I have grown up in. "Stopping terrorism" sounds like just another narrative, but not to those who have lived with its consequences. [1] https://www.indiatoday.in/india/story/kashmir-schools-reopen-burhan-wani-encounter-winter-vacations-963272-2017-03-01 https://www.indiatoday.in/india/story/kashmir-schools-reopen...
  - 2Gkashmiri 6y ago
    what is your point? that its okay to actively prevent schoolchildren from studying? how does it matter schools were shut for 8 months 3 years ago. the point is, with the current pandemic, schoolchildren are stuck at home anyways and denying them high speed internet is denying them access to education. plain and simple. you argue because its been done before so everyone is used to it and thats somehow okay? its not
    - actuator 6y ago
      Although a very unfair comparison, and I don't agree with it. But I think his point was three years back people were more than willing to protest for an "armed millitant"[1] and a lot of that was organized through social media. But this doesn't mean it is right, internet is a fundamental right at this point. You can't just deprive people from it with a blanket ban. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burhan_Wani https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burhan_Wani
      - 2Gkashmiri 6y ago
        your words, "people were more than willing to protest for an "armed millitant" " where do you say terrorism in that sentence? did hongkong stop internet when there were protests? or BLM which were protests organised on social media, telegram, whatsapp, facebook? or do rules apply differently when protests are against injustices in usa and kashmir?
        actuator 6y ago
        As I said, I support restoring internet access but giving the HK example wrt Kashmir is more like a strawman argument. HK situation is nowhere what Kashmir's is. HKers are fighting for democratically elected government. Look at what the guy in question was fighting for, here is a statement from his Wikipedia page. [1] > He oft-elaborated about the idea of India being entirely incompatible with Islam thus mandating a destruction at any cost, and aimed of unfurling the flag of Islam on Delhi’s Red Fort. This is the exact sort of sentiment that have been used by the current Indian government and many others around the world to stoke fear and champion for their ideology. I honestly think you do disservice to your genuine concerns when you defend people like him and this makes it easy for your real concerns to be muddled with such bigotry. Same with the protests. This will not help your cause and I honestly believe whether it is Xinjiang or Kashmir, armed separatism is not the answer and is never going to succeed. Both the countries do really need to find a better way to deal with it though. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burhan_Wani#Biography https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burhan_Wani#Biography
  - arcticbull 6y ago
    What does that have to do with internet speeds? Citation needed.
    - actuator 6y ago
      He doesn't because from the data at least in the open, it does not even prove that situation has improved drastically there. I recall reading recent news about local politicians being killed there.
- actuator 6y ago
  Yeah, I think the whole situation is such a travesty. I have been following news of that region for a long time now and it is just sad what has happened there over the decades with atrocities committed from both sides. I firmly believe restricting internet access is just not humane at this point. There is too much dependence on internet and I consider it as a basic right. I think this heavy-handedness is going to backfire. To treat an infection, you can't just cut off the whole limnb.

aaomidi 6y ago

Shit like this has no place on HN. Using random statistics to justify taking away the freedom to access internet is NEVER okay.

bhupy 6y ago
I don't agree with jammucoder that information restriction is a justifiable way to reduce terrorist attacks, but I think HN is exactly the sort of place that tolerates this exact kind of viewpoint, especially directly underneath a comment that argues the opposite.
- aaomidi 6y ago
  HN values freedom and as software engineers who depend on the internet I don't think we'd tolerate bullshit comments like this.
  - bhupy 6y ago
    HN's values are limited to the site guidelines. Arguing against freedom of information is tolerated in the context of Tik Tok, and IMO should be tolerated in the context of terrorism in Kashmir. I want to re-iterate that I agree with you that curtailing the freedom of information is bad, but that simply arguing about it and hearing from those that feel otherwise — especially those that claim to be directly impacted — is incredibly valuable for me, sitting in New York City.
    - mywittyname 6y ago
      Obviously, we are diverse group of people with equally diverse opinions on matter. But from what I've seen, there's a healthy amount of comments around in support of TikTok and against the CCP and USG's seemingly coordinated attempts to dismantle them. In fact, it was from HN that I learned of ByteDance's desire to distance themselves from the CCP and that the war on TikTok in both countries is likely in response to their refusal to play ball with the CCP. The American media's barrage of anti-TT reporting never really made sense until that revelation. After all, there are plenty of more significant Chinese tech companies whose apps are more pervasive, yet are rarely mentioned in the news, i.e., Tencent.

majjaa 6y ago

OMG! The Indian r/t_d sub members are also on hackernews. No place is safe.

actuator 6y ago
Btw, before resorting to name calling like this. It would help you to know that he might be expressing genuine opinion. He named Jammu, Jammu is also an area of the region in question here. Even I don't agree with his assertions but he is free to have his opinion and as someone who actually lives there is free to express it.
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searchableguy 6y ago

I will need source for that. Which other countries deal with cheating in exams or rumors on whatsapp through internet shut downs?