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this is nothing. shameless plug. I am a kashmiri typing this from 2G internet which apprently is the only acceptable thing for the indian government to allow me

this is nothing. shameless plug. I am a kashmiri typing this from 2G internet which apprently is the only acceptable thing for the indian government to allow me. 4G access has been stopped since 5 AUGUST 2019. a freaking year has passed and no high speed internet. I didnt have 2G for like 7 months. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revocation_of_the_special_status_of_Jammu_and_Kashmir https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revocation_of_the_special_stat... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Censorship_in_Kashmir#Censorship_on_internet https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Censorship_in_Kashmir#Censorsh... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019%E2%80%932020_Jammu_and_Kashmir_lockdown https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019%E2%80%932020_Jammu_and_Ka... belarus can stop internet for all they want, as long as they want. they have the legal precedent to do so aka india via kashmir

echlebek 6y ago
Sorry to hear you are struggling with internet access, but I don't see how the actions of India create legal precedence in Belarus?
- keenmaster 6y ago
  He's being sardonic. Assad, Putin, Lukashenko, Modi, Bolsonaro, Duterte...they all use pseudo-legalistic justifications for authoritarian action. Assad in particular went as far as cataloging thousands of his torture victims to give an official veneer to the circumstances of their death. This is even though it seems insane to record evidence of one's own gruesome crimes of genocide. https://www.hrw.org/report/2015/12/16/if-dead-could-speak/mass-deaths-and-torture-syrias-detention-facilities https://www.hrw.org/report/2015/12/16/if-dead-could-speak/ma...
  - beepboopbeep 6y ago
    >Assad, Putin, Lukashenko, Modi, Bolsonaro, Duterte, Trump...they all use pseudo-legalistic justifications for authoritarian action
    - MichaelApproved 6y ago
      You’re getting down voted for including Trump but his recent use of Federal officers to police the streets of Portland and his attempts to delay the November vote show he is in the same category.
    - m0zg 6y ago
      Except of course in the real world Trump resisted using federal forces until rioters started attacking federal property and Portland decided to let it burn. Can we here concede that burning a federal courthouse is not OK? He's still not using the federal forces: don't interfere when your opponent is making a mistake. The rioters and "police defunders" are making an amazingly powerful case for his re-election.
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- JumpCrisscross 6y ago
  > I don't see how the actions of India create legal precedence in Belarus? It's a precedent for the world ignoring such actions.
  - actuator 6y ago
    I honestly don't think any country in the world cares at this point. There are far worse things world has ignored, I hardly think this needed a precedent.
    - PeterisP 6y ago
      There's a saying that the good always prevails, so whoever wins is the good side. This is a fight that the people of Belarus have to win right there on the ground in Belarus, because in cases like this the world will just accept the de facto winner as legitimate and work with them, whoever they may be. Any atrocities involved will be condemned with loud proclamations and no real consequence.
  - kube-system 6y ago
    FWIW, it hasn't been ignored; the US State Department has condemned the restrictions in Kashmir.
    - keenmaster 6y ago
      There are a wide range of policy tools that the U.S. failed to use with regards to Kashmir and the oppression of Muslims in India, up to and including sanctions. You can disagree on the efficacy of any particular policy tool, but something with economic and/or diplomatic consequences must be done. Academic research has shown that even the threat of sanctions can help. I'm not holding my breath that Trump will do anything to improve the situation. He has a very warm relationship with Modi. We should not wait for the arc of history to prove strongmen wrong. We owe it to the oppressed peoples of the world to advocate for non-militaristic measures which help reduce or eliminate their oppression. Some self-doubt is healthy, and the West has done a lot of bad things in the past. We can't let that self-doubt paralyze our foreign policy though. The world would devolve into a worse place. Obama misused MLK's belief on the arc of history (bending towards justice) to justify what is increasingly looking like a terrible foreign policy regime (hands off on Russia --->Syrian genocide--->refugees flooding Europe--->alt-right backlash and Brexit--->Crimea --->alt-right worldwide--->widespread election manipulation--->shaky NATO and EU--->hyperventilating Eastern Europe--->emboldened strongmen--->??? But wait, there's more! Do the claims that sanctions can cause WWIII seem hollow now? Is it becoming clear to everyone that Russian imperialism and Iranian imperialism need just as much scrutiny and backlash as Western imperialism?). On that note, sanctions on Belarus are very limited. Here's the thing with sanctions: sanctions on one bad actor can be dodged if there are other, larger bad actors who aren't being put in their place. However, systematic sanctions, against all major human rights abusers, would be really hard to dodge. That is especially if we give them a well-defined route out of the sanctions regime, where sanctions are gradually relaxed until the abuses are stopped. “A man dies when he refuses to stand up for that which is right. A man dies when he refuses to stand up for justice. A man dies when he refuses to take a stand for that which is true.” — Dr. Martin Luther King Jr.
- Florin_Andrei 6y ago
  > I don't see how the actions of India create legal precedence in Belarus? The person is frustrated and that part of the comment is sarcastic. I think it's understandable given the context.
keenmaster 6y ago
You have my solidarity. I take so much for granted as an American. Stay strong, and live a fulfilling life regardless of the authoritarianism. That is the last thing they want you to do.
- 2Gkashmiri 6y ago
  funny enough. i was willing to spend a shit load of money because my business is online and i was not able to. months later when things calmed down a bit, say after january and that is what? 6 months and local businesses were given permission to internet with restrictions. here is one article i could pull from early november but these companies mentioned in the article were huge https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/politics-and-nation/80-kashmir-companies-get-internet-after-signing-bond/articleshow/72233279.cms https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/politics-and-natio... the local population was not allowed access till february and i happen to have photos of the "undertaking" that businesses were made to sign. https://ibb.co/Fnd6mPj https://ibb.co/Fnd6mPj https://ibb.co/6D6CWCN https://ibb.co/6D6CWCN this isnt mine, i could not find that but a local shop. this was never about terrorism like this jammucoder guy is larping about. this is plain and simple censorship to prevent people from making a noise and bringing to attention the attrocities committed. "terrorism" is what got obama to bomb afghanistan, bush to flatten iraq and so on.
  - keenmaster 6y ago
    From the Economic Times link (second most read business publication after WSJ): "The Jammu and Kashmir administration has restored the Internet connections of more than 80 subscribers who have signed a bond agreeing to use the services strictly for business purposes...The bond directs users not to upload encrypted files containing any sort of video or photographs. “For the allowed IP, there will be no social networking, proxies, VPNs and Wi-Fi and that all the USB ports will be disabled on the network" Wow. I shouldn't be surprised but that's awful.
jammucoder 6y ago
I'm typing this from Jammu. Since 370 abrogation last year, number of terror incidents in J&K is down by 40%. Every story has two sides. While I hope the govt brings back full 4G connectivity soon, I am grateful to them for taking the terror situation seriously.
- arcticbull 6y ago
  Do you have any evidence limited speeds are the reason for a reduction in terrorist incidents? Unless you have some hard evidence that's a weak-sauce claim. Correlation at best.
  - 2Gkashmiri 6y ago
    children havent gone to school since 5 august 2019 in kashmir. while the world is enjoying the benefits of zoom and stuff, everyone is stuck with 2G. that means no zoom parties, no conference calls, recorded classes are sent via voice notes on whatsapp groups for each class and children write simple exams on paper and photo a picture. things are THAT DEPLORABLE and the narrative "stopping terrorism" is given as an excuse to prevent 8 million people from internet? what gives?
    - jammucoder 6y ago
      My friend, although I feel the same as you about the 2G connectivity issue, I should remind you that just 3 years before 370 abrogation, schools in Kashmir were shut for 8 Months [1] after the killing of Terrorist by security forces. This is the J&K I have grown up in. "Stopping terrorism" sounds like just another narrative, but not to those who have lived with its consequences. [1] https://www.indiatoday.in/india/story/kashmir-schools-reopen-burhan-wani-encounter-winter-vacations-963272-2017-03-01 https://www.indiatoday.in/india/story/kashmir-schools-reopen...
      - 2Gkashmiri 6y ago
        what is your point? that its okay to actively prevent schoolchildren from studying? how does it matter schools were shut for 8 months 3 years ago. the point is, with the current pandemic, schoolchildren are stuck at home anyways and denying them high speed internet is denying them access to education. plain and simple. you argue because its been done before so everyone is used to it and thats somehow okay? its not
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echlebek 6y ago

Sorry to hear you are struggling with internet access, but I don't see how the actions of India create legal precedence in Belarus?

keenmaster 6y ago
He's being sardonic. Assad, Putin, Lukashenko, Modi, Bolsonaro, Duterte...they all use pseudo-legalistic justifications for authoritarian action. Assad in particular went as far as cataloging thousands of his torture victims to give an official veneer to the circumstances of their death. This is even though it seems insane to record evidence of one's own gruesome crimes of genocide. https://www.hrw.org/report/2015/12/16/if-dead-could-speak/mass-deaths-and-torture-syrias-detention-facilities https://www.hrw.org/report/2015/12/16/if-dead-could-speak/ma...
- beepboopbeep 6y ago
  >Assad, Putin, Lukashenko, Modi, Bolsonaro, Duterte, Trump...they all use pseudo-legalistic justifications for authoritarian action
  - MichaelApproved 6y ago
    You’re getting down voted for including Trump but his recent use of Federal officers to police the streets of Portland and his attempts to delay the November vote show he is in the same category.
  - m0zg 6y ago
    Except of course in the real world Trump resisted using federal forces until rioters started attacking federal property and Portland decided to let it burn. Can we here concede that burning a federal courthouse is not OK? He's still not using the federal forces: don't interfere when your opponent is making a mistake. The rioters and "police defunders" are making an amazingly powerful case for his re-election.
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JumpCrisscross 6y ago
> I don't see how the actions of India create legal precedence in Belarus? It's a precedent for the world ignoring such actions.
- actuator 6y ago
  I honestly don't think any country in the world cares at this point. There are far worse things world has ignored, I hardly think this needed a precedent.
  - PeterisP 6y ago
    There's a saying that the good always prevails, so whoever wins is the good side. This is a fight that the people of Belarus have to win right there on the ground in Belarus, because in cases like this the world will just accept the de facto winner as legitimate and work with them, whoever they may be. Any atrocities involved will be condemned with loud proclamations and no real consequence.
- kube-system 6y ago
  FWIW, it hasn't been ignored; the US State Department has condemned the restrictions in Kashmir.
  - keenmaster 6y ago
    There are a wide range of policy tools that the U.S. failed to use with regards to Kashmir and the oppression of Muslims in India, up to and including sanctions. You can disagree on the efficacy of any particular policy tool, but something with economic and/or diplomatic consequences must be done. Academic research has shown that even the threat of sanctions can help. I'm not holding my breath that Trump will do anything to improve the situation. He has a very warm relationship with Modi. We should not wait for the arc of history to prove strongmen wrong. We owe it to the oppressed peoples of the world to advocate for non-militaristic measures which help reduce or eliminate their oppression. Some self-doubt is healthy, and the West has done a lot of bad things in the past. We can't let that self-doubt paralyze our foreign policy though. The world would devolve into a worse place. Obama misused MLK's belief on the arc of history (bending towards justice) to justify what is increasingly looking like a terrible foreign policy regime (hands off on Russia --->Syrian genocide--->refugees flooding Europe--->alt-right backlash and Brexit--->Crimea --->alt-right worldwide--->widespread election manipulation--->shaky NATO and EU--->hyperventilating Eastern Europe--->emboldened strongmen--->??? But wait, there's more! Do the claims that sanctions can cause WWIII seem hollow now? Is it becoming clear to everyone that Russian imperialism and Iranian imperialism need just as much scrutiny and backlash as Western imperialism?). On that note, sanctions on Belarus are very limited. Here's the thing with sanctions: sanctions on one bad actor can be dodged if there are other, larger bad actors who aren't being put in their place. However, systematic sanctions, against all major human rights abusers, would be really hard to dodge. That is especially if we give them a well-defined route out of the sanctions regime, where sanctions are gradually relaxed until the abuses are stopped. “A man dies when he refuses to stand up for that which is right. A man dies when he refuses to stand up for justice. A man dies when he refuses to take a stand for that which is true.” — Dr. Martin Luther King Jr.
Florin_Andrei 6y ago
> I don't see how the actions of India create legal precedence in Belarus? The person is frustrated and that part of the comment is sarcastic. I think it's understandable given the context.

keenmaster 6y ago

You have my solidarity. I take so much for granted as an American. Stay strong, and live a fulfilling life regardless of the authoritarianism. That is the last thing they want you to do.

2Gkashmiri 6y ago
funny enough. i was willing to spend a shit load of money because my business is online and i was not able to. months later when things calmed down a bit, say after january and that is what? 6 months and local businesses were given permission to internet with restrictions. here is one article i could pull from early november but these companies mentioned in the article were huge https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/politics-and-nation/80-kashmir-companies-get-internet-after-signing-bond/articleshow/72233279.cms https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/politics-and-natio... the local population was not allowed access till february and i happen to have photos of the "undertaking" that businesses were made to sign. https://ibb.co/Fnd6mPj https://ibb.co/Fnd6mPj https://ibb.co/6D6CWCN https://ibb.co/6D6CWCN this isnt mine, i could not find that but a local shop. this was never about terrorism like this jammucoder guy is larping about. this is plain and simple censorship to prevent people from making a noise and bringing to attention the attrocities committed. "terrorism" is what got obama to bomb afghanistan, bush to flatten iraq and so on.
- keenmaster 6y ago
  From the Economic Times link (second most read business publication after WSJ): "The Jammu and Kashmir administration has restored the Internet connections of more than 80 subscribers who have signed a bond agreeing to use the services strictly for business purposes...The bond directs users not to upload encrypted files containing any sort of video or photographs. “For the allowed IP, there will be no social networking, proxies, VPNs and Wi-Fi and that all the USB ports will be disabled on the network" Wow. I shouldn't be surprised but that's awful.

jammucoder 6y ago

I'm typing this from Jammu. Since 370 abrogation last year, number of terror incidents in J&K is down by 40%. Every story has two sides. While I hope the govt brings back full 4G connectivity soon, I am grateful to them for taking the terror situation seriously.

arcticbull 6y ago
Do you have any evidence limited speeds are the reason for a reduction in terrorist incidents? Unless you have some hard evidence that's a weak-sauce claim. Correlation at best.
- 2Gkashmiri 6y ago
  children havent gone to school since 5 august 2019 in kashmir. while the world is enjoying the benefits of zoom and stuff, everyone is stuck with 2G. that means no zoom parties, no conference calls, recorded classes are sent via voice notes on whatsapp groups for each class and children write simple exams on paper and photo a picture. things are THAT DEPLORABLE and the narrative "stopping terrorism" is given as an excuse to prevent 8 million people from internet? what gives?
  - jammucoder 6y ago
    My friend, although I feel the same as you about the 2G connectivity issue, I should remind you that just 3 years before 370 abrogation, schools in Kashmir were shut for 8 Months [1] after the killing of Terrorist by security forces. This is the J&K I have grown up in. "Stopping terrorism" sounds like just another narrative, but not to those who have lived with its consequences. [1] https://www.indiatoday.in/india/story/kashmir-schools-reopen-burhan-wani-encounter-winter-vacations-963272-2017-03-01 https://www.indiatoday.in/india/story/kashmir-schools-reopen...
    - 2Gkashmiri 6y ago
      what is your point? that its okay to actively prevent schoolchildren from studying? how does it matter schools were shut for 8 months 3 years ago. the point is, with the current pandemic, schoolchildren are stuck at home anyways and denying them high speed internet is denying them access to education. plain and simple. you argue because its been done before so everyone is used to it and thats somehow okay? its not

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