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Mozilla's mission is to make the internet a better place for everybody. Having an open web browser is a part of that, but nowhere near sufficient to accomplish

Mozilla's mission is to make the internet a better place for everybody. Having an open web browser is a part of that, but nowhere near sufficient to accomplish the goal. The "vanity ambitions" you are talking about are the things that actually make a long-term difference in people's lives. Having a great competitive browser with a silo'd, broken up Internet is not a desirable end-state.

jacquesm 6y ago
Losing that great competitive browser because of pursuing even higher goals and ending up with an even more silo'd, broken up internet is an even less desirable end state and one that is much more likely to materialize by acting like this.
- staktrace 6y ago
  I don't see how losing Firefox would end up with an "even more silo'd, broken up Internet". Firefox can't fight that by itself so just having Firefox by itself isn't going to make much of a difference to what Big Tech is going to do with the Internet. But anyway, you're entitled to your opinion.
  - stingraycharles 6y ago
    > Firefox can't fight that by itself Why do you say this? Because this is exactly what I expect Mozilla/Firefox to do. IE, Chrome and Opera all use the Chromium engine. Safari is locked into the Apple ecosystem. And as such, it’s imperative Firefox fights this battle, with all the resources and community support they can get. Otherwise we do end up with a Chromium-only silo very quickly.
    - staktrace 6y ago
      This is a relatively narrow view of the Internet, though. You're talking about a web-standards silo kind of thing, which I agree is bad, but is not the sum total of the problems affecting the Internet. See https://internethealthreport.org/2019/ https://internethealthreport.org/2019/ for some more context on what I'm trying to convey. I don't agree with everything in that report, but hopefully it demonstrates that there are threats to the Internet that Firefox can't fix just by being a great browser.
      - jacquesm 6y ago
        Mozilla can't afford a war on so many fronts at the same time. It can maybe afford one. Maybe.
- takluyver 6y ago
  At the moment, it looks a lot like they're losing a competitive browser despite putting a lot of effort into the technology - either because Google competes unfairly, or because it just has more resources to compete with fairly. So it seems reasonable to look for other approaches to support the open internet.
  - jacquesm 6y ago
    > either because Google competes unfairly, or because it just has more resources to compete with fairly Both, actually.
  - anonymousab 6y ago
    Every major lauded technical achievement has been followed by a series of community and PR missteps. I'd wager those have mostly affected the power users more than the average user, but I suspect continually driving the power users away in this manner will hurt them more than it helps them.
shock 6y ago
> Mozilla's mission is to make the internet a better place for everybody. "Don't be evil".
nec4b 6y ago
Besides the browser, in what way do they make the internet a better place?

jacquesm 6y ago

Losing that great competitive browser because of pursuing even higher goals and ending up with an even more silo'd, broken up internet is an even less desirable end state and one that is much more likely to materialize by acting like this.

staktrace 6y ago
I don't see how losing Firefox would end up with an "even more silo'd, broken up Internet". Firefox can't fight that by itself so just having Firefox by itself isn't going to make much of a difference to what Big Tech is going to do with the Internet. But anyway, you're entitled to your opinion.
- stingraycharles 6y ago
  > Firefox can't fight that by itself Why do you say this? Because this is exactly what I expect Mozilla/Firefox to do. IE, Chrome and Opera all use the Chromium engine. Safari is locked into the Apple ecosystem. And as such, it’s imperative Firefox fights this battle, with all the resources and community support they can get. Otherwise we do end up with a Chromium-only silo very quickly.
  - staktrace 6y ago
    This is a relatively narrow view of the Internet, though. You're talking about a web-standards silo kind of thing, which I agree is bad, but is not the sum total of the problems affecting the Internet. See https://internethealthreport.org/2019/ https://internethealthreport.org/2019/ for some more context on what I'm trying to convey. I don't agree with everything in that report, but hopefully it demonstrates that there are threats to the Internet that Firefox can't fix just by being a great browser.
    - jacquesm 6y ago
      Mozilla can't afford a war on so many fronts at the same time. It can maybe afford one. Maybe.
takluyver 6y ago
At the moment, it looks a lot like they're losing a competitive browser despite putting a lot of effort into the technology - either because Google competes unfairly, or because it just has more resources to compete with fairly. So it seems reasonable to look for other approaches to support the open internet.
- jacquesm 6y ago
  > either because Google competes unfairly, or because it just has more resources to compete with fairly Both, actually.
- anonymousab 6y ago
  Every major lauded technical achievement has been followed by a series of community and PR missteps. I'd wager those have mostly affected the power users more than the average user, but I suspect continually driving the power users away in this manner will hurt them more than it helps them.

shock 6y ago

> Mozilla's mission is to make the internet a better place for everybody. "Don't be evil".

nec4b 6y ago

Besides the browser, in what way do they make the internet a better place?