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I don't care how justified your fears are. I also have fears about facebook being abused by republicans and russia, and google being abused by democrats but I a

I don't care how justified your fears are. I also have fears about facebook being abused by republicans and russia, and google being abused by democrats but I am not calling for their ban and I am not calling for telegram's ban either. You need to educate your fellow citizens or pressure appstore owners (google and apple) to delist tiktok. That's how a free nation functions, through dialogue not paranoia and treating the law as a suggestion. Don't sacrifice my liberty to alleviate your fears. If we follow your logic let's equally apply the law and ban telegram,facebook/whatsapp/instagram,google and snapchat as well. And please,let the US cease all commerce with China if they are a hostile enemy government, let's stop financing them. Unless of course like always this is about american greed and not security. Injustice is not tolerable even if security is at stake. If you claim this is just and lawful, apply it equally to all other foreign and domestic apps that can be abused similar to tiktok both by domestic and foreign forces. I have no reason to fear China more than a domestic political party that is eager to start race wars and concentration camps. The law must be fair and it must be applied equally. That is a fundamental concept where it's violation means invalidation and collapse of all legal and legitimate goverment and legal activity.

codemonkey-zeta 6y ago
> Don't sacrifice my liberty to alleviate your fears. Don't be melodramatic. You sacrifice your liberty for the sake of security all the time, and it isn't necessarily a bad thing. > You need to educate your fellow citizens or pressure appstore owners (google and apple) to delist tiktok. This is an unconvincing solution because of the subversive nature of the power of TikTok. We already see that people brush this off as "not my problem. I don't care if China has my data". You don't have to trust domestic parties to agree that there is a legitimate security threat from Chinese controlled TikTok which must be addressed. > If you claim this is just and lawful, apply it equally to all other foreign and domestic apps that can be abused similar to tiktok both by domestic and foreign forces. This is ostensibly the point of the "clean network". Whether or not that particular solution is adequate or even appropriate remains to be seen, but it certainly seems aimed at exactly that problem.

codemonkey-zeta 6y ago

> Don't sacrifice my liberty to alleviate your fears. Don't be melodramatic. You sacrifice your liberty for the sake of security all the time, and it isn't necessarily a bad thing. > You need to educate your fellow citizens or pressure appstore owners (google and apple) to delist tiktok. This is an unconvincing solution because of the subversive nature of the power of TikTok. We already see that people brush this off as "not my problem. I don't care if China has my data". You don't have to trust domestic parties to agree that there is a legitimate security threat from Chinese controlled TikTok which must be addressed. > If you claim this is just and lawful, apply it equally to all other foreign and domestic apps that can be abused similar to tiktok both by domestic and foreign forces. This is ostensibly the point of the "clean network". Whether or not that particular solution is adequate or even appropriate remains to be seen, but it certainly seems aimed at exactly that problem.