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Yes, I specifically addressed that point in my post: > I agree that it would have been an insignificant number of the 250 people fired, but it would have made

by shock 6y ago

Yes, I specifically addressed that point in my post: > I agree that it would have been an insignificant number of the 250 people fired, but it would have made a difference in the life of the employees not fired and it would have given meaning to her words. Are you saying it would not have been worth it?

Spivak 6y ago
Like it definitely wouldn't have been worth it. Playing some weird self-sacrifice game to save a few highly skilled employees that will absolutely be able to find work elsewhere is silly. Yes the whole situation sucks, layoffs are never fun. I'm sure this decision was genuinely hard for her to make and she doesn't need to self-flagellate to prove to anyone that she cared.
- shock 6y ago
  > Playing some weird self-sacrifice game to save a few highly skilled employees that will absolutely be able to find work elsewhere is silly. Silly or not, it would have shown that Mitchell Baker is a leader. This way it shows that she is not. Guess what happens to organizations without a leader.
  - zaroth 6y ago
    The layoffs themselves show that Mitchell Baker is a leader. Layoffs are by far the hardest thing for a CEO to do. Assessing the reality of their market position, examining their future opportunities and revenue streams, and positioning the company to still be around in 10 years sometimes means deciding that the people you have currently aren’t the people you need to ultimately be successful and stay in business. You should never give a CEO a pay cut for doing their job and making the hard decisions to help keep the company in the black.
    - shock 6y ago
      > Layoffs are by far the hardest thing for a CEO to do. Seeing up close and personal several CEOs that laid off people, I saw very little evidence of that. Some even happily talked about vacations and buying yachts, when not in employee company.
      - staktrace 6y ago
        I feel sorry that your life has been surrounded by people with so little empathy.
        shock 6y ago
        Trust me, if I could decide this, my life would be all rainbows and sunshine :). At least for a long while.
        liability 6y ago
        It's a popular claim that 1 in 5 CEOs is a psychopath. I don't know if that's true, but I'm inclined to think it wouldn't be such a popular claim if it weren't somewhere close to the truth. CEOs who don't seem to give a damn about the wellbeing of their employees aren't particularly rare.
    - sciurus 6y ago
      Something to consider here too is that Chris Beard was CEO of Mozilla for over 5 years ending late 2019. Mitchell Baker only took over within the last year. https://blog.mozilla.org/blog/2019/08/29/thank-you-chris/ https://blog.mozilla.org/blog/2019/08/29/thank-you-chris/ https://blog.mozilla.org/blog/2020/04/08/mitchell-baker-named-ceo-of-mozilla/ https://blog.mozilla.org/blog/2020/04/08/mitchell-baker-name...
      - shock 6y ago
        While I was getting ready to reply and say that most of my comments in this thread talking about the CEO were meant as general comments not referring to a specific Mozilla CEO, I went and read the Wikipedia Page for Mitchell Baker, so while you are correct that she took over from Chris Beard as CEO, there is also this bit of history to consider: > When the Mozilla Corporation was launched as a taxable subsidiary of the Mozilla Foundation on August 3, 2005, Baker was named the CEO of the new entity. In addition, she joined the Mozilla Corporation's Board of Directors, though she also kept her seat on the Mozilla Foundation's board, as well as her role as Chairperson. In 2014, she wrote this piece[0] (while she was not CEO, but Chair), justifying putting ads in Firefox. [0] - https://blog.lizardwrangler.com/2014/02/13/content-ads-caution/ https://blog.lizardwrangler.com/2014/02/13/content-ads-cauti... It appears that she has been setting the direction at Mozilla for a really long time, CEO or not.
    - shock 6y ago
      Here's how a leader acts: https://www.polygon.com/2013/7/5/4496512/why-nintendos-satoru-iwata-refuses-to-lay-off-staff https://www.polygon.com/2013/7/5/4496512/why-nintendos-sator...

by shock 6y ago

Spivak 6y ago

Like it definitely wouldn't have been worth it. Playing some weird self-sacrifice game to save a few highly skilled employees that will absolutely be able to find work elsewhere is silly. Yes the whole situation sucks, layoffs are never fun. I'm sure this decision was genuinely hard for her to make and she doesn't need to self-flagellate to prove to anyone that she cared.

shock 6y ago
> Playing some weird self-sacrifice game to save a few highly skilled employees that will absolutely be able to find work elsewhere is silly. Silly or not, it would have shown that Mitchell Baker is a leader. This way it shows that she is not. Guess what happens to organizations without a leader.
- zaroth 6y ago
  The layoffs themselves show that Mitchell Baker is a leader. Layoffs are by far the hardest thing for a CEO to do. Assessing the reality of their market position, examining their future opportunities and revenue streams, and positioning the company to still be around in 10 years sometimes means deciding that the people you have currently aren’t the people you need to ultimately be successful and stay in business. You should never give a CEO a pay cut for doing their job and making the hard decisions to help keep the company in the black.
  - shock 6y ago
    > Layoffs are by far the hardest thing for a CEO to do. Seeing up close and personal several CEOs that laid off people, I saw very little evidence of that. Some even happily talked about vacations and buying yachts, when not in employee company.
    - staktrace 6y ago
      I feel sorry that your life has been surrounded by people with so little empathy.
      - shock 6y ago
        Trust me, if I could decide this, my life would be all rainbows and sunshine :). At least for a long while.
      - liability 6y ago
        It's a popular claim that 1 in 5 CEOs is a psychopath. I don't know if that's true, but I'm inclined to think it wouldn't be such a popular claim if it weren't somewhere close to the truth. CEOs who don't seem to give a damn about the wellbeing of their employees aren't particularly rare.
  - sciurus 6y ago
    Something to consider here too is that Chris Beard was CEO of Mozilla for over 5 years ending late 2019. Mitchell Baker only took over within the last year. https://blog.mozilla.org/blog/2019/08/29/thank-you-chris/ https://blog.mozilla.org/blog/2019/08/29/thank-you-chris/ https://blog.mozilla.org/blog/2020/04/08/mitchell-baker-named-ceo-of-mozilla/ https://blog.mozilla.org/blog/2020/04/08/mitchell-baker-name...
    - shock 6y ago
      While I was getting ready to reply and say that most of my comments in this thread talking about the CEO were meant as general comments not referring to a specific Mozilla CEO, I went and read the Wikipedia Page for Mitchell Baker, so while you are correct that she took over from Chris Beard as CEO, there is also this bit of history to consider: > When the Mozilla Corporation was launched as a taxable subsidiary of the Mozilla Foundation on August 3, 2005, Baker was named the CEO of the new entity. In addition, she joined the Mozilla Corporation's Board of Directors, though she also kept her seat on the Mozilla Foundation's board, as well as her role as Chairperson. In 2014, she wrote this piece[0] (while she was not CEO, but Chair), justifying putting ads in Firefox. [0] - https://blog.lizardwrangler.com/2014/02/13/content-ads-caution/ https://blog.lizardwrangler.com/2014/02/13/content-ads-cauti... It appears that she has been setting the direction at Mozilla for a really long time, CEO or not.
  - shock 6y ago
    Here's how a leader acts: https://www.polygon.com/2013/7/5/4496512/why-nintendos-satoru-iwata-refuses-to-lay-off-staff https://www.polygon.com/2013/7/5/4496512/why-nintendos-sator...