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On the contrary. I want FF to succeed and reclaim its rightful throne. But that's not going to happen with the current hyper-politicized Mozilla

by s9w 6y ago

henriquez 6y ago
I don't agree with all of Mozilla's politics either, and yes it's Free/Libre software and anyone could fork it, but there is no group more well-positioned to make Firefox a success than the people who built it. It's the Internet, you've got to take the good with the bad; in Mozilla's case the good far outweighs the nuisance of their often-partisan fundraising.
- s9w 6y ago
  I think we completely agree. It's just that I have no faith in that the people in charge are in any shape or form involved in the actual development process of FF. And therefore I want the former to cease existing so that the latter can thrive. Their activism has been way worse than fundraising. [0] Is treading a line where I even doubt FF is in the medium/long term even legal to use for people that don't align with their extreme views. [0]: https://blog.mozilla.org/firefox/zuck/ https://blog.mozilla.org/firefox/zuck/
  - henriquez 6y ago
    I used to work next door to Mozilla's SF HQ during the same time they ousted Brandon Eich for wrongthink. That whole fiasco was borne of the political biases of the rank-and-file employees, many of whom I've encountered throughout my career. I don't think it's a safe assumption that "the leadership team is compromised" and all would be well by cutting the head off the snake or whatever analogy. Really Firefox is developed primarily by paid employees and the organization has fostered extreme political viewpoints from top to bottom. I could do without their partisan political drum-beating but much of their activism is honestly rooted in principles that keep the Internet open and fair, even if as an organization they act hypocritically (ie. by censoring browser add-ons developed by conservatives). My problem with the partisan stuff isn't even that I disagree with it, more that it alienates people (like you) who would likely otherwise agree with the stated mission of the organization but can't support the types of irrelevant virtue signaling they engage in.
  - dependenttypes 6y ago
    > #StopHateForProfit This is quite ironic when they themselves won't StopPrivacyViolationsForProfit (or anti-user behaviour in general).

On the contrary. I want FF to succeed and reclaim its rightful throne. But that's not going to happen with the current hyper-politicized Mozilla

by s9w 6y ago

On the contrary. I want FF to succeed and reclaim its rightful throne. But that's not going to happen with the current hyper-politicized Mozilla

henriquez 6y ago

I don't agree with all of Mozilla's politics either, and yes it's Free/Libre software and anyone could fork it, but there is no group more well-positioned to make Firefox a success than the people who built it. It's the Internet, you've got to take the good with the bad; in Mozilla's case the good far outweighs the nuisance of their often-partisan fundraising.

s9w 6y ago
I think we completely agree. It's just that I have no faith in that the people in charge are in any shape or form involved in the actual development process of FF. And therefore I want the former to cease existing so that the latter can thrive. Their activism has been way worse than fundraising. [0] Is treading a line where I even doubt FF is in the medium/long term even legal to use for people that don't align with their extreme views. [0]: https://blog.mozilla.org/firefox/zuck/ https://blog.mozilla.org/firefox/zuck/
- henriquez 6y ago
  I used to work next door to Mozilla's SF HQ during the same time they ousted Brandon Eich for wrongthink. That whole fiasco was borne of the political biases of the rank-and-file employees, many of whom I've encountered throughout my career. I don't think it's a safe assumption that "the leadership team is compromised" and all would be well by cutting the head off the snake or whatever analogy. Really Firefox is developed primarily by paid employees and the organization has fostered extreme political viewpoints from top to bottom. I could do without their partisan political drum-beating but much of their activism is honestly rooted in principles that keep the Internet open and fair, even if as an organization they act hypocritically (ie. by censoring browser add-ons developed by conservatives). My problem with the partisan stuff isn't even that I disagree with it, more that it alienates people (like you) who would likely otherwise agree with the stated mission of the organization but can't support the types of irrelevant virtue signaling they engage in.
- dependenttypes 6y ago
  > #StopHateForProfit This is quite ironic when they themselves won't StopPrivacyViolationsForProfit (or anti-user behaviour in general).