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Slaves, mmm.... yes I remember the first day that jackbooted thugs from Uber forced me to drive for the company. Every day that I felt like driving instead of d

by jquery 6y ago

Slaves, mmm.... yes I remember the first day that jackbooted thugs from Uber forced me to drive for the company. Every day that I felt like driving instead of doing literally anything else, these Uber slavemasters would show up with their chains and their whips. The horror... I hope Uber goes out of business so I can finally go back to my old life...

piva00 6y ago
Slavery doesn't come only through the form of physical subjugation, if so there wouldn't be classifications of work analogous to slavery. Don't be so shallow minded...
- true_religion 6y ago
  Not direct physical subjugation but if force isn’t uses somewhere along the responsibility chain then it can’t be called slavery. Debt slavery for example, relies on debts being permanent and the state jailing people who do not pay. If a debt can be discharged in an easy bankruptcy, you can simply do that instead of becoming a slave to someone.
- tasubotadas 6y ago
  >Slavery doesn't come only through the form of physical subjugation from dictionary: slavery - the state of being a slave. slave - a person who is _the legal property of another_ and is forced to obey them. The fact that you use "slavery" as a synonim to hard work and/or high dependance, doesn't make "doesn't come only through the form of physical subjugation" true.
  - DanBC 6y ago
    Use a better dictionary. slavery, n. (ˈsleɪvərɪ)Forms: 6-7 slauerie, 6-8 slaverie, 7 slauery, 7- slavery.[f. slave n. 1 + -ery. Cf. MDu. slaverie (Du. slavernij), LG. slaverei (Da. slaveri, Sw. slafveri), G. scl-, sklaverei (skl-, schlaverey).] slavery, n. 1. Severe toil like that of a slave; heavy labour, hard work, drudgery. 1551: Robinson More's Utopia ii. v. (1895) 161 “In this hal, all vyle seruice, all slauerie,..is done by bondemen.” 1603: Owen Pembrokeshire (1891) 43 “Digginge of Coles, and other slaueryes and extreame toyles.” 1698: Fryer Acc. E. India & P. 34 “Asses which they use..to carry Packs,..and any other Slavery.” 1712: J. James tr. Le Blond's Gardening 65 “To give them continual Waterings..is a very great Slavery and Expence.” 1897: Daily News 13 Sept. 6/7 “Such people..ought never to keep servants, but do their own slavery.”
  - piva00 6y ago
    Ok, so [0]: slavery noun slav· ery | \ ˈslā-v(ə-)rē \ Definition of slavery 1a: the practice of slaveholding b: the state of a person who is a chattel of another 2: submission to a dominating influence 3: drudgery, toil Or [1]: slavery in British English (ˈsleɪvərɪ ) NOUN 1. the state or condition of being a slave; a civil relationship whereby one person has absolute power over another and controls his or her life, liberty, and fortune 2. the subjection of a person to another person, esp in being forced into work 3. the condition of being subject to some influence or habit 4. work done in harsh conditions for low pay Or [2]: slavery Pronunciation /ˈslāv(ə)rē/ /ˈsleɪv(ə)ri/ NOUN 1. The state of being a slave. 1.1 The practice or system of owning slaves. 1.2 A condition compared to that of a slave in respect of exhausting labor or restricted freedom. 1.3 Excessive dependence on or devotion to something. Like others said: use better dictionaries. [0] https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/slavery https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/slavery (Merriam-Webster) [1] https://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/slavery https://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/slavery (Collins) [2] https://www.lexico.com/en/definition/slavery https://www.lexico.com/en/definition/slavery (Oxford)
    - tasubotadas 6y ago
      I like how delusion you are to pick maybe 3rd or 4th entry to prove your point while 1st and 2nd prove you wrong in almost every dictionary you've posted here.
      - piva00 6y ago
        I really don't get what you say, the definitions are there, the ordering isn't important and they match the meaning I meant. Don't project your delusion just because you want to be right, you aren't and the most polite approach is to admit it instead of doubling down. I don't expect this pathetic behaviour from HN posts.
kikokikokiko 6y ago
As a non US citizen that does not live in America and just looks from the outside, I'm always amazed at the rapid transformation going on in the last decade. If hackernews is a sample of the general american population, you guys are becoming communist. And it won't end well.
- michaniskin 6y ago
  Don’t worry, the American spirit of liberty and free market capitalism is alive and well. It’s just that most Americans are busy getting things done instead of planning everyone’s lives for them on twitter or HN.
- tasubotadas 6y ago
  That's probably mostly California but yeah - it's amazing (also as an European but from a post-soviet country).
- linschn 6y ago
  Because from Reagan on, America has been doing quite well of course...
- karlakush 6y ago
  HN is very much not a sample of the American populace. It's a sample of the farther left-leaning portion of Silicon Valley. The moderators here regularly ban right-wing users when they gain too much traction.
- jquery 6y ago
  I would be alarmed too, except I hang out in diverse US communities. Hacker News is not a sample of the general american population. Increasingly, it is not even a sample of tech workers. Tech workers tend to be rather libertarian, and this has not changed. HN is becoming a sample of Bay Area politics and/or Twitter, neither of which are representative of the USA. Sorry about the downvotes you received. I’ve been on HN a long time. It is sad to see the great decline of HN. Check out reddit.com/r/TheMotte if you want something a bit more representative and more similar to the HN of old, with its attendant high level of discourse as opposed to the shit-flinging and downvote brigading you see on HN today.

by jquery 6y ago

piva00 6y ago

Slavery doesn't come only through the form of physical subjugation, if so there wouldn't be classifications of work analogous to slavery. Don't be so shallow minded...

true_religion 6y ago
Not direct physical subjugation but if force isn’t uses somewhere along the responsibility chain then it can’t be called slavery. Debt slavery for example, relies on debts being permanent and the state jailing people who do not pay. If a debt can be discharged in an easy bankruptcy, you can simply do that instead of becoming a slave to someone.
tasubotadas 6y ago
>Slavery doesn't come only through the form of physical subjugation from dictionary: slavery - the state of being a slave. slave - a person who is _the legal property of another_ and is forced to obey them. The fact that you use "slavery" as a synonim to hard work and/or high dependance, doesn't make "doesn't come only through the form of physical subjugation" true.
- DanBC 6y ago
  Use a better dictionary. slavery, n. (ˈsleɪvərɪ)Forms: 6-7 slauerie, 6-8 slaverie, 7 slauery, 7- slavery.[f. slave n. 1 + -ery. Cf. MDu. slaverie (Du. slavernij), LG. slaverei (Da. slaveri, Sw. slafveri), G. scl-, sklaverei (skl-, schlaverey).] slavery, n. 1. Severe toil like that of a slave; heavy labour, hard work, drudgery. 1551: Robinson More's Utopia ii. v. (1895) 161 “In this hal, all vyle seruice, all slauerie,..is done by bondemen.” 1603: Owen Pembrokeshire (1891) 43 “Digginge of Coles, and other slaueryes and extreame toyles.” 1698: Fryer Acc. E. India & P. 34 “Asses which they use..to carry Packs,..and any other Slavery.” 1712: J. James tr. Le Blond's Gardening 65 “To give them continual Waterings..is a very great Slavery and Expence.” 1897: Daily News 13 Sept. 6/7 “Such people..ought never to keep servants, but do their own slavery.”
- piva00 6y ago
  Ok, so [0]: slavery noun slav· ery | \ ˈslā-v(ə-)rē \ Definition of slavery 1a: the practice of slaveholding b: the state of a person who is a chattel of another 2: submission to a dominating influence 3: drudgery, toil Or [1]: slavery in British English (ˈsleɪvərɪ ) NOUN 1. the state or condition of being a slave; a civil relationship whereby one person has absolute power over another and controls his or her life, liberty, and fortune 2. the subjection of a person to another person, esp in being forced into work 3. the condition of being subject to some influence or habit 4. work done in harsh conditions for low pay Or [2]: slavery Pronunciation /ˈslāv(ə)rē/ /ˈsleɪv(ə)ri/ NOUN 1. The state of being a slave. 1.1 The practice or system of owning slaves. 1.2 A condition compared to that of a slave in respect of exhausting labor or restricted freedom. 1.3 Excessive dependence on or devotion to something. Like others said: use better dictionaries. [0] https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/slavery https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/slavery (Merriam-Webster) [1] https://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/slavery https://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/slavery (Collins) [2] https://www.lexico.com/en/definition/slavery https://www.lexico.com/en/definition/slavery (Oxford)
  - tasubotadas 6y ago
    I like how delusion you are to pick maybe 3rd or 4th entry to prove your point while 1st and 2nd prove you wrong in almost every dictionary you've posted here.
    - piva00 6y ago
      I really don't get what you say, the definitions are there, the ordering isn't important and they match the meaning I meant. Don't project your delusion just because you want to be right, you aren't and the most polite approach is to admit it instead of doubling down. I don't expect this pathetic behaviour from HN posts.

kikokikokiko 6y ago

As a non US citizen that does not live in America and just looks from the outside, I'm always amazed at the rapid transformation going on in the last decade. If hackernews is a sample of the general american population, you guys are becoming communist. And it won't end well.

michaniskin 6y ago
Don’t worry, the American spirit of liberty and free market capitalism is alive and well. It’s just that most Americans are busy getting things done instead of planning everyone’s lives for them on twitter or HN.
tasubotadas 6y ago
That's probably mostly California but yeah - it's amazing (also as an European but from a post-soviet country).
linschn 6y ago
Because from Reagan on, America has been doing quite well of course...
karlakush 6y ago
HN is very much not a sample of the American populace. It's a sample of the farther left-leaning portion of Silicon Valley. The moderators here regularly ban right-wing users when they gain too much traction.
jquery 6y ago
I would be alarmed too, except I hang out in diverse US communities. Hacker News is not a sample of the general american population. Increasingly, it is not even a sample of tech workers. Tech workers tend to be rather libertarian, and this has not changed. HN is becoming a sample of Bay Area politics and/or Twitter, neither of which are representative of the USA. Sorry about the downvotes you received. I’ve been on HN a long time. It is sad to see the great decline of HN. Check out reddit.com/r/TheMotte if you want something a bit more representative and more similar to the HN of old, with its attendant high level of discourse as opposed to the shit-flinging and downvote brigading you see on HN today.