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The idea that the Italian protected designation is somehow more "legitimate" than the Malaysian one is nothing but Eurocentrism. The Malaysian government can en

by ponker 6y ago

The idea that the Italian protected designation is somehow more "legitimate" than the Malaysian one is nothing but Eurocentrism. The Malaysian government can enforce these designations the same way that any other entity can... as a stipulation of trade agreements. If your country doesn't respect Malaysia's designations, then perhaps Malaysia won't let you sell your products in Malaysia.

qubex 6y ago
I’m not saying that the European stipulation has more valence than the Malaysian one. I’m saying they’re equally unfounded, though one is blessed with a greater consumer base than the other they’re equally predicated on the same principle. My issue is with the idea of a government blessing itself with powers beyond its border by specifically saying that only something within its borders is legitimate outside of them, which is... just bizarre, in absence of higher authorities and accords.
- arethuza 6y ago
  EU regulations on geographical indications only have effect outside the EU where there are bilateral agreements with some countries that cover some areas (e.g. wine and spirits): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geographical_indications_and_traditional_specialities_in_the_European_Union#Outside_the_European_Union https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geographical_indications_and_t...
  - qubex 6y ago
    That is what I’m saying: it is exactly analogous to the government of Sarawak declaring that only what is made within its borders can be called something... if it is made outside its borders, it is only within its borders that that thing can be rejected as being not worthy of the name. It’s the accords and the relationship between entities of various kinds (some of them sovereign, some of them not) which gives or denies this stipulation any power whatsoever. To wit: the Sarawak government is entirely free to impound cake blessed with the hallowed name if it is made in the state of Selangor and shipped to within Sarawak, but decrying Selangor-produced cake sold in Kelantan is entirely outside the scope of its power because all of that occurs beyond its borders, and is therefore ineffective unless there is a national government and/or trade agreements that overarch all the territories. It’s exactly the same for national, EU, and international trade agreements.
  - paranoidrobot 6y ago
    For what it's worth - It also affects third countries. For instance, Australia and Europe currently don't have a full free-trade agreement. So you can walk into your local supermarket and buy something labelled 'Australian Feta Cheese'. However, when that same product is sold in South Korea it has to be relabelled as 'Australian White Cheese', because South Korea has an agreement with Europe that Feta is a protected term. https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/cheese-blue-australia-joins-fightback-over-eu-s-havarti-protection-20191025-p5348d.html https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/cheese-blue-australi...

by ponker 6y ago

qubex 6y ago

I’m not saying that the European stipulation has more valence than the Malaysian one. I’m saying they’re equally unfounded, though one is blessed with a greater consumer base than the other they’re equally predicated on the same principle. My issue is with the idea of a government blessing itself with powers beyond its border by specifically saying that only something within its borders is legitimate outside of them, which is... just bizarre, in absence of higher authorities and accords.

arethuza 6y ago
EU regulations on geographical indications only have effect outside the EU where there are bilateral agreements with some countries that cover some areas (e.g. wine and spirits): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geographical_indications_and_traditional_specialities_in_the_European_Union#Outside_the_European_Union https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geographical_indications_and_t...
- qubex 6y ago
  That is what I’m saying: it is exactly analogous to the government of Sarawak declaring that only what is made within its borders can be called something... if it is made outside its borders, it is only within its borders that that thing can be rejected as being not worthy of the name. It’s the accords and the relationship between entities of various kinds (some of them sovereign, some of them not) which gives or denies this stipulation any power whatsoever. To wit: the Sarawak government is entirely free to impound cake blessed with the hallowed name if it is made in the state of Selangor and shipped to within Sarawak, but decrying Selangor-produced cake sold in Kelantan is entirely outside the scope of its power because all of that occurs beyond its borders, and is therefore ineffective unless there is a national government and/or trade agreements that overarch all the territories. It’s exactly the same for national, EU, and international trade agreements.
- paranoidrobot 6y ago
  For what it's worth - It also affects third countries. For instance, Australia and Europe currently don't have a full free-trade agreement. So you can walk into your local supermarket and buy something labelled 'Australian Feta Cheese'. However, when that same product is sold in South Korea it has to be relabelled as 'Australian White Cheese', because South Korea has an agreement with Europe that Feta is a protected term. https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/cheese-blue-australia-joins-fightback-over-eu-s-havarti-protection-20191025-p5348d.html https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/cheese-blue-australi...