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>>If americans want to be spied on by China in exchange for being able to use tiktok it's their right and this activity is beyond the reaches of any elected gov

>>If americans want to be spied on by China in exchange for being able to use tiktok it's their right and this activity is beyond the reaches of any elected government. You lost me here. That spying can have disastrous results for security and economic well-being of USA (daughter of top Intel engineer or President's top adviser for example is wiretapped by CCP) so the state has extremely legitimate reasons to watch out for the best of all. Our Congress and our courts decide if the President overstepped the line, not China. The clock is tiking....tik-tok will get due process, meaning lawyers will be able to represent them and that's it. Maybe the whole case will be sealed and the judge can hear classified info privately.

badrabbit 6y ago
The security and economic well being of the US comes after the citizens' rights are secured. A government that provides security and economic prosperity by sacrificing rights and liberties of citizens does not have the consent of the governed and is operating with illegitimate authority. Your courts and congress will decide if he stepped over the line. But if they fail to do so, you lose a ton of rights. He then gets to ban "antifa" apps and democrats get to ban "alt right" russian apps. A supreme court precedent can't be challenged in court when they apply the same logic for something else. This isn't about tik tok, this is about every other app the US government can't controp or arm twist because they are not based on the US.
- onetimemanytime 6y ago
  so if Huawei offers everyone in America free Alexa-like speakers, USA should do nothing? Or if they give free routers to major infrastructure companies..?
  - wongarsu 6y ago
    They could make proper privacy laws. If both Alexa speakers and Huawei speakers have to respect your privacy and both are banned for failing to do so you sidestep a lot of the issues
    - onetimemanytime 6y ago
      Let's step back for a second: Amazon wants to know what you said to sell you x brand of corn flakes or toothpaste. What does China want to know from millions of Americans that work in engineering, military, universities, politics? See the difference. Like China cares that its company was fined by FTC for $25 million for not respecting privacy
    - badrabbit 6y ago
      They can ban the speakers from being imported but they can't ban americans from transmiting content to huawei
  - badrabbit 6y ago
    Precisely, except businesses are not individuals and as such they don't enjoy the same rights. An ISPs business license can be taken away from it for using huawei because the government has the authority to regulate commerce. They cannot however ban individuals at those companies from receiving or sending information to huawei. Americans can mount free 4k cameras with hd audio in everyroom in their house that streams directly to china snd they cannot be stopped from doing so based on the fact that the government does not approve of the information being transmitted.

badrabbit 6y ago

The security and economic well being of the US comes after the citizens' rights are secured. A government that provides security and economic prosperity by sacrificing rights and liberties of citizens does not have the consent of the governed and is operating with illegitimate authority. Your courts and congress will decide if he stepped over the line. But if they fail to do so, you lose a ton of rights. He then gets to ban "antifa" apps and democrats get to ban "alt right" russian apps. A supreme court precedent can't be challenged in court when they apply the same logic for something else. This isn't about tik tok, this is about every other app the US government can't controp or arm twist because they are not based on the US.

onetimemanytime 6y ago
so if Huawei offers everyone in America free Alexa-like speakers, USA should do nothing? Or if they give free routers to major infrastructure companies..?
- wongarsu 6y ago
  They could make proper privacy laws. If both Alexa speakers and Huawei speakers have to respect your privacy and both are banned for failing to do so you sidestep a lot of the issues
  - onetimemanytime 6y ago
    Let's step back for a second: Amazon wants to know what you said to sell you x brand of corn flakes or toothpaste. What does China want to know from millions of Americans that work in engineering, military, universities, politics? See the difference. Like China cares that its company was fined by FTC for $25 million for not respecting privacy
  - badrabbit 6y ago
    They can ban the speakers from being imported but they can't ban americans from transmiting content to huawei
- badrabbit 6y ago
  Precisely, except businesses are not individuals and as such they don't enjoy the same rights. An ISPs business license can be taken away from it for using huawei because the government has the authority to regulate commerce. They cannot however ban individuals at those companies from receiving or sending information to huawei. Americans can mount free 4k cameras with hd audio in everyroom in their house that streams directly to china snd they cannot be stopped from doing so based on the fact that the government does not approve of the information being transmitted.